RE: so, who has ordered a 1250? - 21

Zitat von midlife crisis im Beitrag #300

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totally agree about languages and the British are the worse. I am so thankful that beer can be used in so many countries so I can get by!!! Tencat have not met a dutch person who could not speak english

Now back to the thread

I will start by saying I am a grumpy old man and immature and now just stroppy.

I went to the local triumph dealer to look at the tiger 1200XRt to find they didn't even have one in the showroom. Then I asked what my part exchange would be and it was £2250 worse than was offered by 2 BMW dealers. So the Tiger is out.

I am fooking angry with BMW the company, I went to my very good BMW dealership to see how useful the £300 offer from BMW would be. I asked them what the impact would be on the part exchange if my current bike had 2500 miles more as of today and they said I would be worse off by £800. Then I asked them to estimate what it would be if the bike was a further 6 to 9 months older and they said about £1500. So £300 is just a waste of space.

I then went into hyper grumpy mood when the dealer told me that the R1200R was being built now and was still being delivered February/March this year on the system.

I have emailed the wonderful customer service managers at BMW and requested they reconsider their offer and have made a helpful suggestion as to what it should be.

Not holding my breath!!!

Think I will be keeping my faster lupin blue bike which is a great bike and suits me well

Grumpy Graham (maturity not an option)

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Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #301

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Zitat von midlife crisis im Beitrag #300

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totally agree about languages and the British are the worse. I am so thankful that beer can be used in so many countries so I can get by!!! Tencat have not met a dutch person who could not speak english

Now back to the thread

I will start by saying I am a grumpy old man and immature and now just stroppy.

I went to the local triumph dealer to look at the tiger 1200XRt to find they didn't even have one in the showroom. Then I asked what my part exchange would be and it was £2250 worse than was offered by 2 BMW dealers. So the Tiger is out.

I am fooking angry with BMW the company, I went to my very good BMW dealership to see how useful the £300 offer from BMW would be. I asked them what the impact would be on the part exchange if my current bike had 2500 miles more as of today and they said I would be worse off by £800. Then I asked them to estimate what it would be if the bike was a further 6 to 9 months older and they said about £1500. So £300 is just a waste of space.

I then went into hyper grumpy mood when the dealer told me that the R1200R was being built now and was still being delivered February/March this year on the system.

I have emailed the wonderful customer service managers at BMW and requested they reconsider their offer and have made a helpful suggestion as to what it should be.

Not holding my breath!!!

Think I will be keeping my faster lupin blue bike which is a great bike and suits me well

Grumpy Graham (maturity not an option)

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FFS - £1500 depreciation every 9 months will have you in negative equity pretty damn soon.
PCP is responsible for this as it tells BMW what their second hand stock will be so they adjust trade in values accordingly. Its a capitalist conspiracy and we are all trapped. I have decided to dance with the devil and haver used PCP for last 2 bikes .

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Zitat von Holger im Beitrag #298

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And when it got difficult the google translator helped as well as here

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I can understand your annoyance Graham as I am in a similar situation as mentioned earlier in the thread. I have written to BMW customer services and got an automated reply saying I would get a response within 2 working days. Well this is day 3 and still no response. It is difficult to quantify the losses caused by this inexplicable delay by BMW, but they are real, so I think BMW should do something to mitigate the issue for people who been affected. The fact that they offered you £300 would seem to confirm that they accept some responsibility, even though the amount offered is not enough. I had three options, all of which were worse than what I had originally planned to do.

Option 1: Continue with the trade-in of my GS now and just wait until September for a replacement in the form of the new RS. Not acceptable, I have trips planned, and anyway I can't afford to miss a riding season at my age - you never how much longer you will be fit enough to ride!

Option 2: Keep my GS until the new RS is available, so for the majority of this year's riding season. The two year warranty on my GS expires in March which was one of the reasons that now was the optimum time to change it, that and the fact that it already has 11,300 miles on the clock. With the trips I have planned it could end up with a further 5000 miles on the clock by the time the RS is available, plus I would feel it necessary to extend the warranty for a year to cover me on my travels this summer. The warranty would cost about £450, and although my dealer couldn't be sure, it was looking like my bike would be worth between £1k and £1.5k less if traded in at the end of the year with a further 5000 miles covered. The additional cost to change to an RS over and above what it would have been if the RS had not been delayed would therefore be in the range of £1.5k to £2. Compared with doing it now as originally planned this would potentially cost going on for 50% extra.

Option 3: Buy a different bike. In the end I decided this was the least damaging of the three options, so I have ordered an R1250GS instead of the R1250RS I really wanted. Not very satisfactory, as I have never been convinced that the GS was the best bike for me, and had set my heart on changing to the RS. Also of course the GS is a more expensive bike so has caused some unplanned additional expenditure when the finances to change were already tight. The difference in list price between the two bikes, which had equivalent specs in terms of options and extras, was about £1300 though the difference I am actually paying is somewhat less than this because my dealer has done me a bit better deal on the GS than on the RS.

So, I am hoping to be the proud owner of a new GS sometime in March, having had to pay out more than planned to change from the current bike. However this does not solve my problem in that I actually wanted to buy an R1250RS. Ideally what I would like BMW to do is to support my dealer to the extent that they can swap out the new GS for a new RS, at no further cost to me, and without the dealer losing out either, once the RS is readily available. That is what I have requested, but so far silence from BMW.

Fred

Zitat von fred_jb im Beitrag #306

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I can understand your annoyance Graham as I am in a similar situation as mentioned earlier in the thread. I have written to BMW customer services and got an automated reply saying I would get a response within 2 working days. Well this is day 3 and still no response. It is difficult to quantify the losses caused by this inexplicable delay by BMW, but they are real, so I think BMW should do something to mitigate the issue for people who been affected. The fact that they offered you £300 would seem to confirm that they accept some responsibility, even though the amount offered is not enough. I had three options, all of which were worse than what I had originally planned to do.

Option 1: Continue with the trade-in of my GS now and just wait until September for a replacement in the form of the new RS. Not acceptable, I have trips planned, and anyway I can't afford to miss a riding season at my age - you never how much longer you will be fit enough to ride!

Option 2: Keep my GS until the new RS is available, so for the majority of this year's riding season. The two year warranty on my GS expires in March which was one of the reasons that now was the optimum time to change it, that and the fact that it already has 11,300 miles on the clock. With the trips I have planned it could end up with a further 5000 miles on the clock by the time the RS is available, plus I would feel it necessary to extend the warranty for a year to cover me on my travels this summer. The warranty would cost about £450, and although my dealer couldn't be sure, it was looking like my bike would be worth between £1k and £1.5k less if traded in at the end of the year with a further 5000 miles covered. The additional cost to change to an RS over and above what it would have been if the RS had not been delayed would therefore be in the range of £1.5k to £2. Compared with doing it now as originally planned this would potentially cost going on for 50% extra.

Option 3: Buy a different bike. In the end I decided this was the least damaging of the three options, so I have ordered an R1250GS instead of the R1250RS I really wanted. Not very satisfactory, as I have never been convinced that the GS was the best bike for me, and had set my heart on changing to the RS. Also of course the GS is a more expensive bike so has caused some unplanned additional expenditure when the finances to change were already tight. The difference in list price between the two bikes, which had equivalent specs in terms of options and extras, was about £1300 though the difference I am actually paying is somewhat less than this because my dealer has done me a bit better deal on the GS than on the RS.

So, I am hoping to be the proud owner of a new GS sometime in March, having had to pay out more than planned to change from the current bike. However this does not solve my problem in that I actually wanted to buy an R1250RS. Ideally what I would like BMW to do is to support my dealer to the extent that they can swap out the new GS for a new RS, at no further cost to me, and without the dealer losing out either, once the RS is readily available. That is what I have requested, but so far silence from BMW.

Fred

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Cripes ... just seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgm12hR44ZE and noted that the brown option is a metallic flake paint

That is literally putting glitter on a turd

I reckon production has been stopped to carry out an inquiry as to WTF signed off the colours - answer ' that was Hans in his last week with the firm before he took up a job at Ducati...'

Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #308

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Cripes ... just seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgm12hR44ZE and noted that the brown option is a metallic flake paint

That is literally putting glitter on a turd

I reckon production has been stopped to carry out an inquiry as to WTF signed off the colours - answer ' that was Hans in his last week with the firm before he took up a job at Ducati...'

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@fred_jb

If you're worried about your GS running out of warranty then simply take out the extended warranty on a monthly basis (it's £38 per month).
You can then cancel it in September with no penalty when you buy the 1250.

Zitat von midlife crisis im Beitrag #307

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Enjoy your bike even though it is a GS

Graham

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Yes, good suggestion and I did consider doing that, though it is still an extra expense, but the main problem is the drop in value of my trade in due to the extra age and miles, which just makes the price to change so much higher than it would be in March, plus it is another six months at least before I would get my hands on the 1250 motor! 😀

Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #313

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the loss in value of your current bike is tiny compared to the cash that will evaporate as soon as your new bike is registered

these bikes are not fragile. In my opinion there is far too much anxiety about bikes that do over 2000 miles a year and are out of warranty. Do the maintenance as scheduled and the odds are that you will have few problems. Forums are full of reports about problems but we never see the data for what proportion of bikes run with few or no problems. Of course, dealers feed this anxiety as it generates more sales. The figures you will have been given are bound to be overly pessimistic.

Run the GS for a year and buy the bike you actually want when you can see one in the flesh. If the bike is in stock you will probably get a discount that will offset the depreciation. You will rarely get a good deal if you have to place an order before a vehicle is built.

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Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #308

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Cripes ... just seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgm12hR44ZE and noted that the brown option is a metallic flake paint

That is literally putting glitter on a turd '

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