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#106 | RE: Hilltop datum

Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:20 pm

Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #105
Zitat von Fugly im Beitrag #104
Plus all the other stuff, BUT he put the effort into developing the product or paid for the development plus he has all the other overheads so no quibble from me.

I admire someone that build something from scratch based on an idea and take it to market and if successful they deserve everything they get out of it. Just seeing some of the e-mails that came in whilst we were there was eye-opening. One claimed the remap stopped his heated grips working! Seeing his response (the typed one as opposed to the vocalised one across the workshop) says he is better at dealing with humans than me

Fugly I agree, My post was in admiration - absolutely well done anyone who has the b**ls to build their own business .

some of the money made has been invested in the new premises - he's only been in Hinckley for a year or so. Previously he was in a small village near to Mallory Park, crammed in with other businesses on a used car lot. https://goo.gl/maps/B9UWHcV7zsP2

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#107 | RE: Hilltop datum

Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:39 pm

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#108 | RE: Hilltop datum

Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:13 pm

Zitat von Bravo im Beitrag #84
Zitat von Tony101 im Beitrag #83
That dip in torque and hp at 4500rpm is really noticeable. It must be related to noise and / or emissions tests.

Yes you're right Tony,note the curve after. To quote Fugly "its flatter than a witch's tit".

Funnily enough, one of the things that I dislike about the RS is cruising at 80 - 85 mph, which just happens to be coincide with that nasty dip in the dyno print. It's probably an illusion, but the bike seems less than happy at this velocity and seems to want to go either 10mph faster or 10mph slower. My old 90S was much nicer at normal UK motorway cruising speeds, loping along and generally in the groove. That dip in HP and torque could explain this sensation.

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#109 | RE: Hilltop datum

Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:53 pm

Zitat von Tony101 im Beitrag #108
Zitat von Bravo im Beitrag #84
Zitat von Tony101 im Beitrag #83
That dip in torque and hp at 4500rpm is really noticeable. It must be related to noise and / or emissions tests.

Yes you're right Tony,note the curve after. To quote Fugly "its flatter than a witch's tit".

Funnily enough, one of the things that I dislike about the RS is cruising at 80 - 85 mph, which just happens to be coincide with that nasty dip in the dyno print. It's probably an illusion, but the bike seems less than happy at this velocity and seems to want to go either 10mph faster or 10mph slower. My old 90S was much nicer at normal UK motorway cruising speeds, loping along and generally in the groove. That dip in HP and torque could explain this sensation.

there is a simple solution - change down a gear

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#110 | RE: Hilltop datum

Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:58 am (Last edited: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:59 am)

This dip in the torque curve is not unusual on modern bikes. The narrow band exhaust sensor is only used in the closed loop mode on the more rudimentary FI systems like those used in bikes. It's a simple switch and keeps the fuel/air ratio in tight control. Closed loop mode is enforced by the ECU at a certain rpm for emissions purposes. Outside of this rpm range the fuelling is controlled by the ECU presets and the fuel/air ratio isn't so tightly controlled. This on/off switched closed loop mode can make the bike feel uncomfortable, especially in a low gear and at low speed where the engine load is light. It can feel sorta 'stuttery' or skittish.

I don't find the RS too bad but it is there if you ride around town in 2nd a little bit over the 30mph limit. At higher speeds it's still there but not so obvious.

My old VFR 1200F was pretty bad, until a decat, can and PC V with sensor removal sorted it. 161 bhp at the wheel too which was an added benefit but purely for bragging rights in the pub.

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#111 | RE: Hilltop datum

Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:13 am

Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #109
Zitat von Tony101 im Beitrag #108
Zitat von Bravo im Beitrag #84
Zitat von Tony101 im Beitrag #83
That dip in torque and hp at 4500rpm is really noticeable. It must be related to noise and / or emissions tests.

Yes you're right Tony,note the curve after. To quote Fugly "its flatter than a witch's tit".

Funnily enough, one of the things that I dislike about the RS is cruising at 80 - 85 mph, which just happens to be coincide with that nasty dip in the dyno print. It's probably an illusion, but the bike seems less than happy at this velocity and seems to want to go either 10mph faster or 10mph slower. My old 90S was much nicer at normal UK motorway cruising speeds, loping along and generally in the groove. That dip in HP and torque could explain this sensation.

there is a simple solution - change down a gear

Agreed, but you shouldn't need to!

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#112 | RE: Hilltop datum

Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:22 pm

Zitat von Tony101 im Beitrag #111
Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #109
Zitat von Tony101 im Beitrag #108
Zitat von Bravo im Beitrag #84
Zitat von Tony101 im Beitrag #83
That dip in torque and hp at 4500rpm is really noticeable. It must be related to noise and / or emissions tests.

Yes you're right Tony,note the curve after. To quote Fugly "its flatter than a witch's tit".

Funnily enough, one of the things that I dislike about the RS is cruising at 80 - 85 mph, which just happens to be coincide with that nasty dip in the dyno print. It's probably an illusion, but the bike seems less than happy at this velocity and seems to want to go either 10mph faster or 10mph slower. My old 90S was much nicer at normal UK motorway cruising speeds, loping along and generally in the groove. That dip in HP and torque could explain this sensation.

there is a simple solution - change down a gear

Agreed, but you shouldn't need to!

a patronising engineer from BMW might say, "we designed the flat spot to be above the legal, usable range in top gear so stop breaking the law"

you have already had the answer from a pragmatist like me

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#113 | RE: Hilltop datum

Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:23 am

Where any adjustments made to the mapping post dyno? Or was the initial map spot on in all cases, despite different headers and cans?

Was the dyno run just so the difference could be mapped on a graph, or was it part of the tuning process?

Reason for asking, I might just send my ECU to be �fettled� rather than make the 340 mile round trip unless there was some extra fine tuning once the �map� had been added.

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#114 | RE: Hilltop datum

Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:38 am

Zitat von Oscarguitar im Beitrag #113
Where any adjustments made to the mapping post dyno? Or was the initial map spot on in all cases, despite different headers and cans?

Was the dyno run just so the difference could be mapped on a graph, or was it part of the tuning process?

Reason for asking, I might just send my ECU to be �fettled� rather than make the 340 mile round trip unless there was some extra fine tuning once the �map� had been added.

I more or less asked the same question. It seems that the dyno runs are used to show benefits only and are not part of the tuning process.

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#115 | RE: Hilltop datum

Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:01 am

Just wondering... If a bike/ECU had already been to Hilltop under a previous owner, would they (Hilltop) tell you, or would they just take another £300 from the new owner?

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#116 | RE: Hilltop datum

Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:37 am

Zitat von KR1S im Beitrag #115
Just wondering... If a bike/ECU had already been to Hilltop under a previous owner, would they (Hilltop) tell you, or would they just take another £300 from the new owner?

If I were you Chris, I'd be calling Geoff at hilltop to get the question answered correctly.

MY MISSION IN 2019 IS TO BE AN EVEN BIGGER CUNT THAN I WAS IN 2018

I`M ROCKIN IT

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#117 | RE: Hilltop datum

Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:57 am

Zitat von Oscarguitar im Beitrag #113
Where any adjustments made to the mapping post dyno? Or was the initial map spot on in all cases, despite different headers and cans?

Was the dyno run just so the difference could be mapped on a graph, or was it part of the tuning process?

Reason for asking, I might just send my ECU to be �fettled� rather than make the 340 mile round trip unless there was some extra fine tuning once the �map� had been added.

Here is the definitive answer from an expert............ Me

The dyno run is an optional extra,when Geoff plugs in your ECU to his computer he can see all the info he needs,he sorts things accordingly. You'll get the same results whether your bike has been dynoed or not.
Some of us wanted to see what our bikes were kicking out before and after,some because of where they lived in the world couldn't even if they wanted to. If you don't fancy the ride up then post it to Hilltop Simon,it'll make no difference than attending in person.
I've met up with 3 people from the group and they've only got good things to say about the Hilltop treatment,I've not received any negative feedback. As for some neutral feedback,ask PaulB how mine pulls two up with full luggage.

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I'd like to point out I've no affiliation with Hilltop,I just wanted my bike to go better,which it does.

MY MISSION IN 2019 IS TO BE AN EVEN BIGGER CUNT THAN I WAS IN 2018

I`M ROCKIN IT

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#118 | RE: Hilltop datum

Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:02 pm

Cheers John. I didn�t think it would make a difference, it seems like the map is fully sorted after so many applications. I�m just considering options and post and re-fit is one of them.

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#119 | RE: Hilltop datum

Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:05 pm

Zitat von Oscarguitar im Beitrag #118
Cheers John. I didn�t think it would make a difference, it seems like the map is fully sorted after so many applications. I�m just considering options and post and re-fit is one of them.

You will miss out on some excellent banter if you post it,Geoff really is one of the lads

MY MISSION IN 2019 IS TO BE AN EVEN BIGGER CUNT THAN I WAS IN 2018

I`M ROCKIN IT

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#120 | RE: Hilltop datum

Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:15 pm

Again, to anyone who is considering an ECU remap by post, I will fund a before and after run of the bike on a dyno near you (the same one for before and after) as long as I can have the run graphs.

Bill

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