RE: Electric motorcycles - 25

Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #360

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #358

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Just for fun I calculated what the cost is to ride my Zero 45 miles, compared with going the same distance on my 70-mpg Royal Enfield. Here in California I am paying PG&E 42.5 cents per kWh during "non-peak" hours ( 49.5 kWh during "peak" hours). Right now my local gas station is selling 87 octane fuel for $5.38 per gallon. Running the calculations, traveling that 45 miles cost me $2.20 and the same distance on my RE would cost $3.46. But the way my electric rates keep increasing each month and with gas prices dropping, it might not be too long until the Zero and the Royal Enfield end up costing about the same per mile. Riding the same distance on my 50-mpg BMW R1200RS, would set me back about $6.42. Of course that doesn't take in the periodic service costs for an ICE motorcycle, which would really up the per mile cost. BTW, insurance coverage for the Zero is more than the same coverage for the RS.

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I still don't understand how your electric rates are nominally 4x mine in PA, which my Sister in Reno NV claims are higher than hers........

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Zitat von Bjacobs571 im Beitrag #359

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Have you included the cost of replacing your battery after 10 years devided by the number of miles you will do plus the extra £7000 an electric bike will cost you to purchase over a simular ICE bike. If an electric bike cost the same it would be a possible replacement for me.

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #361

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #360

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #358

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Just for fun I calculated what the cost is to ride my Zero 45 miles, compared with going the same distance on my 70-mpg Royal Enfield. Here in California I am paying PG&E 42.5 cents per kWh during "non-peak" hours ( 49.5 kWh during "peak" hours). Right now my local gas station is selling 87 octane fuel for $5.38 per gallon. Running the calculations, traveling that 45 miles cost me $2.20 and the same distance on my RE would cost $3.46. But the way my electric rates keep increasing each month and with gas prices dropping, it might not be too long until the Zero and the Royal Enfield end up costing about the same per mile. Riding the same distance on my 50-mpg BMW R1200RS, would set me back about $6.42. Of course that doesn't take in the periodic service costs for an ICE motorcycle, which would really up the per mile cost. BTW, insurance coverage for the Zero is more than the same coverage for the RS.

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I still don't understand how your electric rates are nominally 4x mine in PA, which my Sister in Reno NV claims are higher than hers........

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PG&E's (which I like to call Pacific, Graft and Explosion) rate payers are reimbursing the company for all of the towns, homes and forests, along with the many people that have been killed by wild fires started by the company's electrical equipment malfunctioning. (They have been convicted in federal court for murder.) We are also paying for their two bankruptcies, "golden parachutes" for their CEO's that come and go, the cost of undergrounding 10,000 miles of overhead wires to help prevent more forest fires and a whole bunch of other expensive things that they should have been doing to upgrade and maintain their facilities over the past hundred years. Right now there appears to be no end in sight to regular rate increases.

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #363

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #361

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #360

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #358

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Just for fun I calculated what the cost is to ride my Zero 45 miles, compared with going the same distance on my 70-mpg Royal Enfield. Here in California I am paying PG&E 42.5 cents per kWh during "non-peak" hours ( 49.5 kWh during "peak" hours). Right now my local gas station is selling 87 octane fuel for $5.38 per gallon. Running the calculations, traveling that 45 miles cost me $2.20 and the same distance on my RE would cost $3.46. But the way my electric rates keep increasing each month and with gas prices dropping, it might not be too long until the Zero and the Royal Enfield end up costing about the same per mile. Riding the same distance on my 50-mpg BMW R1200RS, would set me back about $6.42. Of course that doesn't take in the periodic service costs for an ICE motorcycle, which would really up the per mile cost. BTW, insurance coverage for the Zero is more than the same coverage for the RS.

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I still don't understand how your electric rates are nominally 4x mine in PA, which my Sister in Reno NV claims are higher than hers........

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PG&E's (which I like to call Pacific, Graft and Explosion) rate payers are reimbursing the company for all of the towns, homes and forests, along with the many people that have been killed by wild fires started by the company's electrical equipment malfunctioning. (They have been convicted in federal court for murder.) We are also paying for their two bankruptcies, "golden parachutes" for their CEO's that come and go, the cost of undergrounding 10,000 miles of overhead wires to help prevent more forest fires and a whole bunch of other expensive things that they should have been doing to upgrade and maintain their facilities over the past hundred years. Right now there appears to be no end in sight to regular rate increases.

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So, you're as screwed as the Southern Co. customers in Georgia paying for all the bankruptcies and over-runs at Vogtl...........

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #364

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #363

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #361

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #360

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #358

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Just for fun I calculated what the cost is to ride my Zero 45 miles, compared with going the same distance on my 70-mpg Royal Enfield. Here in California I am paying PG&E 42.5 cents per kWh during "non-peak" hours ( 49.5 kWh during "peak" hours). Right now my local gas station is selling 87 octane fuel for $5.38 per gallon. Running the calculations, traveling that 45 miles cost me $2.20 and the same distance on my RE would cost $3.46. But the way my electric rates keep increasing each month and with gas prices dropping, it might not be too long until the Zero and the Royal Enfield end up costing about the same per mile. Riding the same distance on my 50-mpg BMW R1200RS, would set me back about $6.42. Of course that doesn't take in the periodic service costs for an ICE motorcycle, which would really up the per mile cost. BTW, insurance coverage for the Zero is more than the same coverage for the RS.

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I still don't understand how your electric rates are nominally 4x mine in PA, which my Sister in Reno NV claims are higher than hers........

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PG&E's (which I like to call Pacific, Graft and Explosion) rate payers are reimbursing the company for all of the towns, homes and forests, along with the many people that have been killed by wild fires started by the company's electrical equipment malfunctioning. (They have been convicted in federal court for murder.) We are also paying for their two bankruptcies, "golden parachutes" for their CEO's that come and go, the cost of undergrounding 10,000 miles of overhead wires to help prevent more forest fires and a whole bunch of other expensive things that they should have been doing to upgrade and maintain their facilities over the past hundred years. Right now there appears to be no end in sight to regular rate increases.

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So, you're as screwed as the Southern Co. customers in Georgia paying for all the bankruptcies and over-runs at Vogtl...........

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Isn't it nice to have a monopoly on supplying power to your customers.

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Here is a possible entry into the (likely) low-budget electric motorcycle market. But with a 93-mile range I wouldn't exactly call it a "tourer". However, it is always nice to have choices in electric motorcycles and if it comes to the U.S. at a decent price it might get more people on electric two wheels. Here is a link to the news: https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcy...le-coming-soon/

Zero has just announced a new model. The ADV-styled DSR/X. Kind of heavy to take off road and the fully-optioned cost is likely to be around $30K if it is marketed in the U.S. The bike certainly has a lot of quality components and should be a good addition to their EV range of motorcycles, but maybe it is time to work on cutting prices a bit. Between Zero, LiveWire and Energica electric motorcycle brands, you really have to have a lot of loose change to invest in one of these new highway-capable electric motorcycles. Nice if you have the money. But is someone who is not familiar with EV technology going to buy one, especially with the state of the current economy, or will they spend a bit more to buy a new EV car from an established brand with an extensive dealership network? Time will tell. Here is a link to the review: https://thepack.news/zero-motorcycles-re...sr-x-in-sicily/

Here is an article regarding Honda's future electric motorcycle marketing plans. Don't get too excited: https://www.motorcycle.com/features/hond...ycle-plans.html

Meanwhile BMW seems to be laying low when it comes to any future plans to market a highway-capable full-size electric motorcycle.

Here is a link to the Motorcycle.com review article of the new 2013 Zero DSR/X ADV motorcycle. It is the longest and most thorough review I have read to date of this new electric ADV model: https://www.motorcycle.com/features/2023...first-ride.html

Here is a interesting Revzilla article about a fellow who placed a $5,000 deposit on a Sondors Metacycle and then backed out of the deal. He explains why he gave up on the Metacycle: https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/wh...then-backed-out

For those of you who are looking for an electric motorcycle with some R18-style road-hugging weight, here is your bike: http://brutusmotorcycle.com/brutusV9.html

Here is a 3-minute long video worth of the latest Zero news, including that they have received additional financing in the amount of $107 million from Polaris: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXhrQKYRvLQ

I haven’t read all this thread - but I won’t be in line for one.

The H-D spinoff LiveWire company began trading on the NYSE. It doesn't look like anything I would want to invest in: https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/bi...any-goes-public

It looks like Kawasaki will be marketing an ICE 300cc-class electric motorcycle making something around 15 hp one of these days. Here is the news published by Motorcycle.com: https://www.motorcycle.com/new-model-pre...t-intermot.html