RE: Electric motorcycles - 24

Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #335

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In this video Yammie Noob (not the most reliable source for motorcycle information in my opinion and I don't care much about how his video's tend to be loaded with ads) complains about the price, features and performance of Zero's electric motorcycles. However, I think he does make some good points, especially about the add-on prices that unlock features which are already on the bike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN3egt52jCQ

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I won't be shocked when BMW starts selling unlocks on their ICE bikes. They are already doing this in some markets with their cars, and they know many bike owners are happy to pay a lot of money for a completely aesthetic exhaust upgrade.

I rode a Zero test ride last week. I wonder if they will sell an upgrade to make it half-way fun.

Zitat von TriangleRider im Beitrag #347

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I won't be shocked when BMW starts selling unlocks on their ICE bikes. They are already doing this in some markets with their cars, and they know many bike owners are happy to pay a lot of money for a completely aesthetic exhaust upgrade.

I rode a Zero test ride last week. I wonder if they will sell an upgrade to make it half-way fun.

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #349

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Zitat von TriangleRider im Beitrag #347

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I won't be shocked when BMW starts selling unlocks on their ICE bikes. They are already doing this in some markets with their cars, and they know many bike owners are happy to pay a lot of money for a completely aesthetic exhaust upgrade.

I rode a Zero test ride last week. I wonder if they will sell an upgrade to make it half-way fun.

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Don't bet on it.

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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #351

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #350

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #349

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Zitat von TriangleRider im Beitrag #347

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I won't be shocked when BMW starts selling unlocks on their ICE bikes. They are already doing this in some markets with their cars, and they know many bike owners are happy to pay a lot of money for a completely aesthetic exhaust upgrade.

I rode a Zero test ride last week. I wonder if they will sell an upgrade to make it half-way fun.

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Don't bet on it.

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There was some software doo-dad offered for the R1200RS in 2017 for $250........ I didn't do it and can't recall what it was.

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was it the bendy ABS thing?

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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #353

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #352

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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #351

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #350

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #349

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Zitat von TriangleRider im Beitrag #347

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I won't be shocked when BMW starts selling unlocks on their ICE bikes. They are already doing this in some markets with their cars, and they know many bike owners are happy to pay a lot of money for a completely aesthetic exhaust upgrade.

I rode a Zero test ride last week. I wonder if they will sell an upgrade to make it half-way fun.

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Don't bet on it.

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There was some software doo-dad offered for the R1200RS in 2017 for $250........ I didn't do it and can't recall what it was.

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was it the bendy ABS thing?

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I don't think so, that sounds useful.....

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#285 in this thread
Electric motorcycles (19)

and some earlier mutterings by yourself

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The Italian manufacturer of electric motorcycles, Energica seems to be doing well. If you happen to be in Italy next week you will want to check out this event:
https://thepack.news/energica-announces-...gica-community/

For the U.S.:
Retail sales year-to-date are five times greater than the previous year.
New dealer agreements have expanded the U.S. network from 14 to 25 dealers, including nine new states: Colorado, Hawaii, New Jersey, New Mexico, Utah and Washington State.
Pre-sale deposits have been received for over two months’ worth of Experia (a new Energica ADV-style model) production.

Around the rest of the world:
Retail sales increase 104% year-to-date compared to the previous year with an additional two months’ production for the Experia spoken for by customer orders.
Expansion to 95 dealers, including intensification in existing key markets of France, Germany and the UK and entry into wholly new markets including Australia, Eastern Europe, Portugal, and even Pakistan and Nepal (?).

Here is a long video of a direct comparison between the LiveWire One and the Zero SR/F electric motorcycles by Yammie Noob. While I hate most of his reviews and his attitude, this review is one of his better ones, mostly because both bikes are ridden side-by-side and you can make your own judgement regarding his evaluation based upon what you see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMZIakSpidY

Just for fun I calculated what the cost is to ride my Zero 45 miles, compared with going the same distance on my 70-mpg Royal Enfield. Here in California I am paying PG&E 42.5 cents per kWh during "non-peak" hours ( 49.5 kWh during "peak" hours). Right now my local gas station is selling 87 octane fuel for $5.38 per gallon. Running the calculations, traveling that 45 miles cost me $2.20 and the same distance on my RE would cost $3.46. But the way my electric rates keep increasing each month and with gas prices dropping, it might not be too long until the Zero and the Royal Enfield end up costing about the same per mile. Riding the same distance on my 50-mpg BMW R1200RS, would set me back about $6.42. Of course that doesn't take in the periodic service costs for an ICE motorcycle, which would really up the per mile cost. BTW, insurance coverage for the Zero is more than the same coverage for the RS.

Have you included the cost of replacing your battery after 10 years devided by the number of miles you will do plus the extra £7000 an electric bike will cost you to purchase over a simular ICE bike. If an electric bike cost the same it would be a possible replacement for me.

Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #358

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Just for fun I calculated what the cost is to ride my Zero 45 miles, compared with going the same distance on my 70-mpg Royal Enfield. Here in California I am paying PG&E 42.5 cents per kWh during "non-peak" hours ( 49.5 kWh during "peak" hours). Right now my local gas station is selling 87 octane fuel for $5.38 per gallon. Running the calculations, traveling that 45 miles cost me $2.20 and the same distance on my RE would cost $3.46. But the way my electric rates keep increasing each month and with gas prices dropping, it might not be too long until the Zero and the Royal Enfield end up costing about the same per mile. Riding the same distance on my 50-mpg BMW R1200RS, would set me back about $6.42. Of course that doesn't take in the periodic service costs for an ICE motorcycle, which would really up the per mile cost. BTW, insurance coverage for the Zero is more than the same coverage for the RS.

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