RE: Gas prices - 5

Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #60

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Zitat von MrVvrroomm im Beitrag #52

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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #51

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I warned people that the people now in power wanted $10/gallon gas to create social pressure to force people into “green energy.” People voted for what we now have, and they can just shut up and take it like an adult.

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Thanks for the warning. We're happy taking it like an adult. The price of fuel will go much higher than $10/gal before this country's dependency on it subsides.

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Fair enough, but $10/gallon gas means the price of everything else also shoots up. Having energy costs go up so fast without an equivalent growth in the economy means people are going to watch their purchasing power practically disappear. I guarantee a lot of people applauding $10/gallon gas aren't going to be cheering when they find the cost of everything else doubles or triples from the long-term impact. Most voters aren't "big picture" thinkers.

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Who are the winners and losers of inflation. .

Just saw a breakout of our 7% inflation. Top 3% gas, 2%housing, 1% food etc. clearly the biggest is gas and that will hurt the middle and poor the hardest. MacMansion will cost more so upper middle class and higher will feel that

The owner class benefits from these high oil price and rental housing.

Just anther of a long line of circumstance that enhances the transfer of wealth to the rich from the middle and poor classes.

Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #59

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Zitat von MrVvrroomm im Beitrag #58

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #53

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MrVVrroomm,

Following the conversion to NG, how many workers are needed to staff your old plant?

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We built a brand new NG plant next door to the coal-fired plant next door. The old plant was demolished. This was in 2007.

Our operations staffing (actual button pushers and valve turners) was 37 bodies. This was to run 2 coal-fired generating units + 1 coal-fired boiler for a steam process line to a local paper mill. Total generation capacity was about 270 Mw.

The natural gas-fired 2 on 1 combined cycle plant required an initial staffing of 15 button pushers, today's staffing is just 10. There is a winter generating capacity of just under 600 Mw.

I didn't account for the actual maintenance personnel. That department went from around 20 to 4. The whole coal-handling department was eliminated, about a dozen.

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More than twice the capacity with less than 1/3 of the staff...........

This is why the coal market is disappearing.

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Zitat von Boxerboy im Beitrag #63

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #59

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Zitat von MrVvrroomm im Beitrag #58

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #53

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MrVVrroomm,

Following the conversion to NG, how many workers are needed to staff your old plant?

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We built a brand new NG plant next door to the coal-fired plant next door. The old plant was demolished. This was in 2007.

Our operations staffing (actual button pushers and valve turners) was 37 bodies. This was to run 2 coal-fired generating units + 1 coal-fired boiler for a steam process line to a local paper mill. Total generation capacity was about 270 Mw.

The natural gas-fired 2 on 1 combined cycle plant required an initial staffing of 15 button pushers, today's staffing is just 10. There is a winter generating capacity of just under 600 Mw.

I didn't account for the actual maintenance personnel. That department went from around 20 to 4. The whole coal-handling department was eliminated, about a dozen.

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More than twice the capacity with less than 1/3 of the staff...........

This is why the coal market is disappearing.

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And a decent environmental improvement as well!

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #59

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[quote=MrVvrroomm|p46931][quote=Mr. 36654|p46926]

This is why the coal market is disappearing.

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Zitat von Lee im Beitrag #65

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #59

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[quote=MrVvrroomm|p46931][quote=Mr. 36654|p46926]

This is why the coal market is disappearing.

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By watching the number of coal cars rolling through town each day it's doesn't seem to be disappearing :)
In 2020 the railroad transported 3 million carloads of coal in the US.
I tried to look up how much they transported in 2010 and 2000 to show how much it has reduced but didn't have any luck.

I did find coal was 25% of what the railroad moved in 2020 and that figure was 45% in 2010.

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #61

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You want to send some servicemen or just shrug as Putin takes over an independent nation? That's the options

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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #67

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #61

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You want to send some servicemen or just shrug as Putin takes over an independent nation? That's the options

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What's going on in Ukraine is way more complicated and nuanced than that.

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #68

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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #67

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #61

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You want to send some servicemen or just shrug as Putin takes over an independent nation? That's the options

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What's going on in Ukraine is way more complicated and nuanced than that.

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Really? Looks like annexation of an independent country to me.......

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #68

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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #67

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #61

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You want to send some servicemen or just shrug as Putin takes over an independent nation? That's the options

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What's going on in Ukraine is way more complicated and nuanced than that.

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Really? Looks like annexation of an independent country to me.......

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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #70

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #68

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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #67

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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #61

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You want to send some servicemen or just shrug as Putin takes over an independent nation? That's the options

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What's going on in Ukraine is way more complicated and nuanced than that.

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Really? Looks like annexation of an independent country to me.......

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There are bad actors on all sides. It all revolves around controlling resources within the national boundaries, and there are political agendas they want to push while people are in fear of war spreading. This war was "provoked" by outside meddling and creating pressure in an unstable situation. Yes, Putin is taking the bait, but he provocation is still there. Many powerful and connected interests among the western nations want a conflict. They care not about the people caught in the middle or the impact it has on average people around the world.

The USA has been fooled into supporting war for decades. We know the government lied to generate support to do Gulf War I. They lied again to get into Gulf War II. We find out the truth once we get in and the facts come to the light of day. Meantime, the people pushing for war made a pretty profit at the expense of innocent parties caught in the middle. If anything, people should scrutinize the claims being made on ALL sides because it wasn't the people in the street who chose to start the conflict.

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On my walk to the library today I passed by the local Union Oil 76 gas station. They were replacing the old metal price sign with a new quick-reaction electronic sign. Interestingly, it has four price levels. One is for cash-only regular fuel. The other three are for credit-only prices for regular, mid-grade and premium fuel. It will be interesting to see what the difference is between the cash price and the credit price for regular fuel. Unlike many stations, only regular is being sold for cash (which of course requires you to go into the "convenience" store to pay and stand in line at the register, while leaving your car blocking the pump). But if you want to pay with a credit or debit card, you will pay extra for regular fuel and can only buy mid-grade and premium fuel. That is a pricing plan that I haven't seen before.

Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #73

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #72

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On my walk to the library today I passed by the local Union Oil 76 gas station. They were replacing the old metal price sign with a new quick-reaction electronic sign. Interestingly, it has four price levels. One is for cash-only regular fuel. The other three are for credit-only prices for regular, mid-grade and premium fuel. It will be interesting to see what the difference is between the cash price and the credit price for regular fuel. Unlike many stations, only regular is being sold for cash (which of course requires you to go into the "convenience" store to pay and stand in line at the register, while leaving your car blocking the pump). But if you want to pay with a credit or debit card, you will pay extra for regular fuel and can only buy mid-grade and premium fuel. That is a pricing plan that I haven't seen before.

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over here, few retailers want cash transactions - compared to card transaction fees, it costs them more to have cash collected plus the inherent risk of it being robbed. We are encouraged to use our contactless cards even for small transactions like the £1.29 birthday card I bought today.

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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #73

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #72

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On my walk to the library today I passed by the local Union Oil 76 gas station. They were replacing the old metal price sign with a new quick-reaction electronic sign. Interestingly, it has four price levels. One is for cash-only regular fuel. The other three are for credit-only prices for regular, mid-grade and premium fuel. It will be interesting to see what the difference is between the cash price and the credit price for regular fuel. Unlike many stations, only regular is being sold for cash (which of course requires you to go into the "convenience" store to pay and stand in line at the register, while leaving your car blocking the pump). But if you want to pay with a credit or debit card, you will pay extra for regular fuel and can only buy mid-grade and premium fuel. That is a pricing plan that I haven't seen before.

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over here, few retailers want cash transactions - compared to card transaction fees, it costs them more to have cash collected plus the inherent risk of it being robbed. We are encouraged to use our contactless cards even for small transactions like the £1.29 birthday card I bought today.

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