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Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:44 pm
Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #44Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #43Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #42 Your opinions are noted. But coming from the number 2 NG producer state (with no extraction tax) and seeing most local coal plants being converted to NG (to save on manpower costs), I don't see the big change in March 2021. The big change occurred when more profitable wet NG was found in the Utica formation during the middle of the last decade. The equipment suppliers and the engineering firms left town in a flash and went to the new hot spot. But, then again, they must have guessed the results of the 2020 election, 5 or more years prior. Perhaps, simple economics is the real source of this issue. https://www.worldoil.com/news/2020/5/1/o...ussia-price-war
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #45 Aren't most of California's wells within Kern or LA counties? Isn't that pretty populated?
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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #47Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #45 I think so. But they have been there for about forever. I just got a kick out of Newsom making a statement about everything he did during last year was "The California Way", even though many car drivers are asking for more drilling to help cut oil imports. But that is not going to happen here. It is the California Way.
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #48Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #47Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #45 your car drivers will just have to stop those Mid West farmers sending corn to Mexico, China etc and make more of that lovely ethanol for their unnecessarily large personal transport devices. Or learn that a VW Up! or Toyota Aygo are perfectly adequate for single person transport.
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A trip around my town today showed that my local Union Oil station was selling regular 87 Octane fuel for $5.80, a Shell station $6.10 and two Chevron stations $6.30. I think about 75 cents of those prices are road maintenance taxes.
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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #46 I’d say they prepare for either outcome well in advance, but you are correct. Many industries “read the tea leaves” to plan how they will go forward. The whole DNC lineup were unashamed about what they would do if they got in, so there was plenty of time to prepare for that outcome. As I understand it, coal has been under assault for over a decade. We still have coal mining, but at a much lower level. Oil exploration always went on…during the 1970s, there were virgin wells in the Everglades capped and untouched. I get the thinking behind that…use their oil and keep ours for when there is no more. People I know in the industry say starting up pumping operations on an existing well is mad expensive (presumes a capped well with no pumping equipment). It would be cheaper to increase production on existing wells already pumping, but there would still be logistical costs. Finally, you might have the oil industry saying “f*#@ you” to the current administration…and I don’t blame them. I warned people that the people now in power wanted $10/gallon gas to create social pressure to force people into “green energy.” People voted for what we now have, and they can just shut up and take it like an adult. Businesses never lose money. Force them to pay more or provide more service, they will pass the cost to the end consumer. Happens every time. People don’t recognize this and keep demanding things then complain about the price of things going up.
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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #51 Thanks for the warning. We're happy taking it like an adult. The price of fuel will go much higher than $10/gal before this country's dependency on it subsides.
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Zitat von MrVvrroomm im Beitrag #52Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #51 MrVVrroomm, Following the conversion to NG, how many workers are needed to staff your old plant?
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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #44Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #43 You are correct, this administration clearly is concerned about climate change and is strongly urging the oil industry and all of us off carbon fuels. Not long ago oil was $20 a barrel...clearly not profitable so most of more expensive well were turned off. Now that oil is over $100/B it be profitable to turn this back on (not necessarily drill new wells). Not clear to me why this is not yet happening...I strongly think the oil industry in really enjoying this chance to increase prices when source cost remain low. $$$$ FWIW The oil companies own over 160 unused new drilling site leases (beyond to ones on existing sites) so cutting off sale of environmentally sensitive lease site has more of symbolic impact than real cost of oil impact. I also learned that most of the imported Russian oil (apparently a low/heavy grade) is to make use of two refineries that where design to take Canada Tar Sands oil...also a low grade. ie keeping those very expensive assets profitable. |
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Zitat von Vtbob im Beitrag #54 I guess the capacity at these refineries is why there is political jiggery pokery going on to make Venezuela a non-pariah state so that their, low grade, thick gloop can be considered marketable again
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The energy industry is having their big conference this week, CERAWeek,
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #55Zitat von Vtbob im Beitrag #54 That and the financial issue that Mr. Putin may not have any hard currency to support Maduro. When the piggy bank is empty, you look for different options.
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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #53 We built a brand new NG plant next door to the coal-fired plant next door. The old plant was demolished. This was in 2007. Our operations staffing (actual button pushers and valve turners) was 37 bodies. This was to run 2 coal-fired generating units + 1 coal-fired boiler for a steam process line to a local paper mill. Total generation capacity was about 270 Mw. The natural gas-fired 2 on 1 combined cycle plant required an initial staffing of 15 button pushers, today's staffing is just 10. There is a winter generating capacity of just under 600 Mw. I didn't account for the actual maintenance personnel. That department went from around 20 to 4. The whole coal-handling department was eliminated, about a dozen.
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Zitat von MrVvrroomm im Beitrag #58Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #53 More than twice the capacity with less than 1/3 of the staff........... This is why the coal market is disappearing. Old Forum Orphan |
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Zitat von MrVvrroomm im Beitrag #52Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #51 Fair enough, but $10/gallon gas means the price of everything else also shoots up. Having energy costs go up so fast without an equivalent growth in the economy means people are going to watch their purchasing power practically disappear. I guarantee a lot of people applauding $10/gallon gas aren't going to be cheering when they find the cost of everything else doubles or triples from the long-term impact. Most voters aren't "big picture" thinkers.
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