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#16 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:36 pm
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#17 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:37 pm
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Zitat von BEARR im Beitrag #15 I think there was a transcription problem in the design department - the XR side stand is far too short. I reckon someone did a drawing for the sidestands and then the part numbers were transposed on the parts inventory for each bike.
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#18 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:44 pm
Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:44 pm
Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #17Zitat von BEARR im Beitrag #15 As long as that's ALL that got transposed...lol! |
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#19 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:46 pm
Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:46 pm
Zitat von Paul911 im Beitrag #16 That makes a kind of sense...shoving it onto the sidestand might raise the bike just a little, which could be enough. I may try that. The principle sounds vaguely like on of those "Snapjack" things you can use to raise a bike's rear wheel when there's no centerstand. |
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#20 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:41 am
Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:41 am
Zitat von iooner im Beitrag #14 The rebound damping valves become very sluggish.
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#21 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Mon Mar 27, 2023 4:04 pm
Mon Mar 27, 2023 4:04 pm
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While thinking about this, and reading the numerous responses here, my consistent thought was: "Why would BMW make a sidestand that keeps the bike so 'vertical'"? Then I read somewhere a comment that because the engine has horizontal cylinders there would be oil leaking into the cylinder if the lean were greater. Knowing little to nothing about whether this is actually a possibility, it struck me as worth thinking about. |
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#22 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:11 pm
Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:11 pm
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Zitat von BEARR im Beitrag #21 Old news not really relevant on the LC bikes. BMW boxers used to be infamous for a puff of black smoke on starting up. My R1150GS did this to the extent the muffler would have a black ring of soot on the end. Oil would pool in the left valve gear, not from running from somewhere else, just not draining away if you only used the side stand. In those days, engine tolerance were looser and a bit of that oil would slip past the rings when the engine was cold and burn off. Some engines used to consume quite a bit of oil until the engine bedded in. My R1150 used half a litre of oil between services until the 12000 mile one. In 2001 when I had my R1150, the oil specified was 10W/40 but BMW followed H-D, Moto Guzzi other big twin makers to eventually specify 20W/50 oil, which reduced the problem. Eventually, BMW returned to lower weight oil as engine tolerances are much tighter nowadays and running in periods aren't really needed now.
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#23 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:14 pm (Last edited: Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:16 pm)
Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:14 pm (Last edited: Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:16 pm)
Zitat von BEARR im Beitrag #21 It sounds good until you remember the RT, GS and GSA have a decent lean while on the sidestand. Our 1987 K75 bikes with a flat three engine would smoke sometimes at start up because of oil seeping past the rings. After a few years BMW pinned the rings so the gaps did not line up and this fixed the smoke on start up. Our other K bikes with the flat Brick engine did not smoke on start up. Our 1987 bikes did not use a drop of oil. Lee |
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#24 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:42 pm
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#25 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 pm (Last edited: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:02 pm)
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#26 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:55 pm
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#27 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:05 am (Last edited: Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:03 am)
Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:05 am (Last edited: Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:03 am)
Zitat von Boxerboy im Beitrag #26 I suppose if this problem existed on the GS, BMW would be all over it. The RS being less "popular" than the GS and RR models means it's likely not sufficiently impactful to sales to warrant a fix. But if BMW were to create a slightly shorter side stand and offer to provide it with no charge for the part or installation, think of the goodwill they'd generate. I won't hold my breath, though...lol! Maybe the GS has a shorter side stand because it's a top-heavy bike...tall, with a big gas tank. The RS carries its CG lower, I would think. Perhaps that's why the RS has a relatively "taller" side stand? |
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#28 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:21 am (Last edited: Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:30 am)
Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:21 am (Last edited: Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:30 am)
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For the benefit of newbies: as has been discussed here before, in the Chinese market the bike is actually provided with a shorter stand, so make of that what you will. As someone who's bike has fallen foul of the short stand myself, I find that pretty mind blowing! KC100->CB100N->CB250RS--------->DL650AL2->R1200RS->R1250RS |
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#29 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:52 pm (Last edited: Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:04 pm)
Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:52 pm (Last edited: Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:04 pm)
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Should I have mentioned earlier that all my bikes since 2005 have had the Wunderlich model appropriate sidestand enlarger! |
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#30 | RE: Question on using suspension setting to reduce bike "verticality" on side stand
Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:53 pm (Last edited: Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:55 pm)
Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:53 pm (Last edited: Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:55 pm)
Zitat von Freddyfruitbat im Beitrag #28 That's actually fairly interesting. I would not have expected BMW to address this in such detail. Their normal response to inquiries that I've been aware of was to state the bike is "within normal parameters"...period. Thanks for the info. I'm picking up my RS this week. I'll see how I feel about the sidestand under constant use, then decide if modification is needed. Really appreciate all the responses. |
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