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I AM CLOSE TO ORDERING A 2023 R1250RS BUT ONE QUESTION REMAINS FOR ME AND IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME--IS THIS A BIKE THAT WILL TENE TO STAND UP WHEN THE FRONT BRAKE IS APPLIED WHEN LEANED OVER IN A CORNER?

Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2

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to an extent, every bike will stand up in such a situation as that is physics.

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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2

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I believe the later RS have the cornering ABS system that reduces the effect of such braking with some clever electronics

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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #3

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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2

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to an extent, every bike will stand up in such a situation as that is physics.

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Yep.

ABS is an anti-f*ck up measure. Learn to never apply brakes in a turn, or conversely, apply maximum braking going in a straight line then lean over hard to complete the turn. If you need to lose speed during a turn, you entered too hot to begin with.

You can also practice trail braking…relying on the rear brake to reduce speed.

Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #3

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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2

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to an extent, every bike will stand up in such a situation as that is physics.

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Yep.

ABS is an anti-f*ck up measure. Learn to never apply brakes in a turn, or conversely, apply maximum braking going in a straight line then lean over hard to complete the turn. If you need to lose speed during a turn, you entered too hot to begin with.

You can also practice trail braking…relying on the rear brake to reduce speed. That should have a much diminished effect on your line of travel because the rear wheel doesn’t pivot on an axis like the forks do.

If there’s an obstruction in the road, your better bet is to lean hard to swerve past it rather than hit the brakes and ensure you crash.

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That should have a much diminished effect on your line of travel because the rear wheel doesn’t pivot on an axis like the forks do.

If there’s an obstruction in the road, your better bet is to lean hard to swerve past it rather than hit the brakes and ensure you crash.

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Zitat von Gast im Beitrag #1

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I AM CLOSE TO ORDERING A 2023 R1250RS BUT ONE QUESTION REMAINS FOR ME AND IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME--IS THIS A BIKE THAT WILL TENE TO STAND UP WHEN THE FRONT BRAKE IS APPLIED WHEN LEANED OVER IN A CORNER?

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If you’re hitting the brake half way through a corner then you’ve fucked up big time!

Mis-read the turn.

As above, hit the brake in a straight line into the corner, then pick up the throttle mid way round.

More or less.

Grabbing the brake lever in the turn will stand you up and spit you off to the outside of the curve.

Physics. As stated above.

ABS or no ABS. PRO or otherwise. There’s no magic wand to get you out of going in too fast.

Some bikes are worse than others but they all tend to stand up in a corner due to the offset contact patch contersteering the bike the 'wrong' way. Even the best of us make mistakes and as Ray said, learning to add countersteer (counter, counter steer?) if a front brake is applied in a bend is a skill to be practiced.

I examine for the IAM. True old school Roadcraft is all about braking when upright, then changing down followed by tipping in, in a measured manner. I work with that in my role.

However, being able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear means that riders may need to apply brakes (front and rear application in different circumstances) in a corner. If we view in corner braking as verboten then we are going to be lost if we need to do it for real.

Motorcycling has moved on from 3 speed gearboxes and tyres made of string and chewing gum.

Zitat von GPZ im Beitrag #5

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Trail braking is a practice almost always utilizing only the front brakes

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Agree on all the above tips, essentially doing all the braking before tipping in. However even the best of us have had to apply front brake mid turn on some occasion, I'm sure, with the inevitable "standing up".
I'd like to make the observation that the tele lever BMWs with their neutral steering characteristics and virtually no front-end dive, tend to stand up far less than a telescopic forked bike if you touch the front brake in mid corner. For me it was one of the great advantages of my previous 2011 R1200R. Trust in a good front tire with tele lever, and you can get away with braking a lot deeper into a turn if needed, although it's never recommended, I know.

Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #9

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Odd…I’ve always heard the term applied to using rear brake only on loose soil or gravel.

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It's a strange one really, the whole cornering ABS thing... personally it's so ingrained into my brain over years and years that braking in bends is a Bad Thing that when I cocked one a bend up big time a few years ago, I'm reasonably certain that I never touched the front brake at all, despite the incident ending in tears... the last thing I actually remember before the lights went out was hearing scraping noises which I assume must have been the result of my last-ditch but unsuccessful attempt to stay on the tarmac. But now that I have a bike with ABS Pro should I practice using the front brake on bends now? I dunno... doesn't sit well with me but on the other hand if I were ever to find myself in an all-or-nothing situation again I'd like to think that wouldn't be my first time trying it out!

THANKS FOR THE RESPONSE TO MY QUESTION!

I THINK THE 1250RS IS A REALLY WELL DESIGNED, ELEGANTLY STYLED CLASSY BIKE. IT MAY BE MY CHRISTMAS PRESENT THIS YEAR!

Cornering ABS does work. I accept I ‘got it wrong’ going in to the bend, but who hasn’t? Big difference was that I could grab the brakes, loose some speed, bike holds the line and exits shiny side up. I did wonder how I managed it, (skill, and an innate sense of grip and control?) but no, I had to accept it was the electronics wot saved me, with no drama at all. So much so that it took a while to work out what had actually happened.