RE: California adopts regulations to end sales of gas-power vehicles by 2035

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#16 | RE: California adopts regulations to end sales of gas-power vehicles by 2035 datum

Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:24 pm

Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #15
I was surprised to see in a TV story about various countries ending gas-powered car sales that some countries, such as the UK will be ending them in 2030. (I hope they can find the electrical power and infrastructure to recharge the new EVs.) And then there are even a handful of countries like Mexico (?) that plan to cease new car sales in 2025. California is bragging that they have the toughest restrictions in the U.S., but apparently not in the world. I have no idea how Mexico is going to push EVs into both their economy and their environment. That is a very large and relatively poor country. In any case, by the time ICE sales are restricted in CA, we ought to know how it is working by the experience in many other areas around the world.

there will be a them and us situation. People like me with a house that has private parking and can charge a vehicle overnight will be fine. Car batteries are a good way to store power generated overnight by wind turbines and nuclear, and smart meter tariffs will reflect this. Anyone living in accommodation where they do not have designated parking will be reliant on public infrastructure. All of those people living in urban terraces with on street parking, blocks of flats with communal parking and houses of multiple occupation (house shares) might have to get used to alternative modes of transport.

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#17 | RE: California adopts regulations to end sales of gas-power vehicles by 2035 datum

Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:59 pm (Last edited: Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:14 pm)

Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #15
I was surprised to see in a TV story about various countries ending gas-powered car sales that some countries, such as the UK will be ending them in 2030. (I hope they can find the electrical power and infrastructure to recharge the new EVs.) And then there are even a handful of countries like Mexico (?) that plan to cease new car sales in 2025. California is bragging that they have the toughest restrictions in the U.S., but apparently not in the world. I have no idea how Mexico is going to push EVs into both their economy and their environment. That is a very large and relatively poor country. In any case, by the time ICE sales are restricted in CA, we ought to know how it is working by the experience in many other areas around the world.

In the US, daily electricity use amounts to 11 terawatt-hrs per day. That 11,000,000,000,000 Watt-hrs or 11,000,000,000 kilowatt-hrs. We consume about 369 million gallons of gasoline per day. Based on the EPA formula, a gallon of gasoline is equivalent to 33.7 kW-hrs of electricity. Therefore, US daily gasoline use (369-million gallons) is equivalent to 12,440,000,000 kW-hrs of electricity or 113% of current US daily electrical use.

So, a bit more than doubling the current grid capacity will address all our gasoline needs.

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#18 | RE: California adopts regulations to end sales of gas-power vehicles by 2035 datum

Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:52 am

Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #14
You're worried about a physical (electrical) connection, but not a wireless one? Have you ever used an OBD reader? Or, attached any electrical accessories to your bike or cars?

1. If Bluetooth can only access the stereo system, no real concern. If you can interface with the whole car, I�d be concerned.

2. An OBD reader, if it harms the car, would be easy to prove as the damage would be proximate to the cause. A dongle for these purposes must remain plugged in the entire time. So, proving proximity to damage becomes a lot harder, and the car owner would have the burden to prove the dongle did the damage�which is beyond the means of the average car owner.

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#19 | RE: California adopts regulations to end sales of gas-power vehicles by 2035 datum

Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:58 pm

Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #18
Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #14
You're worried about a physical (electrical) connection, but not a wireless one? Have you ever used an OBD reader? Or, attached any electrical accessories to your bike or cars?

1. If Bluetooth can only access the stereo system, no real concern. If you can interface with the whole car, I�d be concerned.

2. An OBD reader, if it harms the car, would be easy to prove as the damage would be proximate to the cause. A dongle for these purposes must remain plugged in the entire time. So, proving proximity to damage becomes a lot harder, and the car owner would have the burden to prove the dongle did the damage�which is beyond the means of the average car owner.

Based on my limited understanding of the OBD system, the shop could just connect and read the odometer. Of course, Progressive Insurance offers the option of using a dongle to establish insurance rates and many commercial trucking companies use them.

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#20 | RE: California adopts regulations to end sales of gas-power vehicles by 2035 datum

Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:28 pm (Last edited: Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:31 pm)

Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #17
Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #15
I was surprised to see in a TV story about various countries ending gas-powered car sales that some countries, such as the UK will be ending them in 2030. (I hope they can find the electrical power and infrastructure to recharge the new EVs.) And then there are even a handful of countries like Mexico (?) that plan to cease new car sales in 2025. California is bragging that they have the toughest restrictions in the U.S., but apparently not in the world. I have no idea how Mexico is going to push EVs into both their economy and their environment. That is a very large and relatively poor country. In any case, by the time ICE sales are restricted in CA, we ought to know how it is working by the experience in many other areas around the world.

In the US, daily electricity use amounts to 11 terawatt-hrs per day. That 11,000,000,000,000 Watt-hrs or 11,000,000,000 kilowatt-hrs. We consume about 369 million gallons of gasoline per day. Based on the EPA formula, a gallon of gasoline is equivalent to 33.7 kW-hrs of electricity. Therefore, US daily gasoline use (369-million gallons) is equivalent to 12,440,000,000 kW-hrs of electricity or 113% of current US daily electrical use.

So, a bit more than doubling the current grid capacity will address all our gasoline needs

Now, if we consider the amount of light vehicle miles traveled, about 2.92 trillion miles per year (or ~90% of total vehicle miles traveled), that's 8 billion light vehicle miles traveled per day on average. Since EV systems are relatively efficient, an EV can travel 2 to 4 miles per kWhr of charge. PHEV "pure electric" mileage ranges a bit better than 2, while BEV range is 3 to 4 miles per kWhr of charge. Thus, at the low end of PHEV efficiency (2 miles per kWhr), the additional demand on the grid would be (8 Billion miles) / (2 miles per kWhr) = 4 Billion kWhr, which is a bit less than 40% of current grid load. At the low end of BEV efficiency, 3 miles per kWhr, the additional demand would be ~25% of current load.

So, that should bracket the predictions.....25 to 113% additional load. The low-end prediction uses current BEV efficiencies, while the high-end prediction assumes no improvement in efficiency relative to individual ICE vehicles.

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#21 | RE: California adopts regulations to end sales of gas-power vehicles by 2035 datum

Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:14 pm

I was wondering how California was going to enforce their mandate that auto companies sell 35% EVs in 2026, 68% in 2030 and all EVs in 2035. According to an article in my local newspaper, CA plans to fine auto dealers who sell cars in the state $20,000 for each vehicle "per car that the fail to produce". "If they can't meet that target they can get credits from other manufacturers that already meet EV targets" - like Tesla, perhaps. As usual, everything CA does has a pot of gold at the end of their rainbow. >:(

What i wonder about is how they are going to force auto buyers in the state to buy an EV if they don't want to. Will auto companies be tacking that $20K on to the retail price of their ICE cars as a way of reducing their sales and recouping the fee so that they conform to the EV sales requirements? That would be one way of convincing their customers to buy an EV - and just keep the used car market going for many years in the future.

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#22 | RE: California adopts regulations to end sales of gas-power vehicles by 2035 datum

Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:15 am

California is a state that keeps making the case that we need a 10.0 to send it sliding into the Pacific Ocean.

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