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As I sup a pint of Timothy Taylor Landlord in Reeth in Swaledale I am reflecting on something raised in another thread, also discussed today when a couple of us joined Chris ride in Lancashire.
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#2 | RE: Curated group rides in UK, discussion thread
Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:42 pm (Last edited: Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:44 pm)
Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:42 pm (Last edited: Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:44 pm)
Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #1  Love it! I organised a group ride the other day which (to my horror) ended up with about 15 bikes. I decided against second bike drop off in favour of distributing a GPX file to everyone in advance, with the advice that although we'd be riding together, everyone wold be responsible for their own navigation. It was really exasperating to watch as the bike ahead of me went off down a side turn while my own satnav was telling me to go straight on... Since then I've talked to someone who was present at a BMW dealership when a Garmin rep came round - apparently this guy admitted that if you load up a bunch of identical Navigators with the same settings and the same instructions, there WILL be discrepancies in the routes they advise... interesting?
KC100->CB100N->CB250RS--------->DL650AL2->R1200RS
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I’m all for riding to a target / event / purpose, but riding in a large group? No thanks.
Carpe Diem!
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I agree with you about group rides, there are drawbacks and pitfalls to avoid. But on the plus side, you get to meet some like-minded people, see parts of the country and roads that you perhaps otherwise wouldn't. I think most of us on here are relatively mature. |
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#6 | RE: Curated group rides in UK, discussion thread
Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:52 am (Last edited: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:55 am)
Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:52 am (Last edited: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:55 am)
Zitat von Boxerboy55 im Beitrag #4 Having just spent two weeks touring Europe on my own I understand where you are coming from Pete. Following a common SatNav route sounds like the worst of all worlds! I think Ali in his post on this thread has got the right take on organised outings. Pro: Riding new roads in an area otherwise unknown/little known to you, meeting like minded people who you would not otherwise meet. Con: You cannot easily stop to admire the view/take a leak, just one poor piece of marking can ruin the day (So discipline is required which some may not like) I enjoy a mix of both group outings and solo riding and intend to continue both P.S. I am a big fan of 2nd man drop. (Dave did you mean to say that it "really" worked well yesterday?) Chris 19 Plate R1250RS Exclusive with "bells & whistles" & full colour matched luggage |
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#7 | RE: Curated group rides in UK, discussion thread
Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:40 pm (Last edited: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:40 pm)
Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:40 pm (Last edited: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:40 pm)
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Drop off system for me every time. Been using it for many years with only the odd failure. Usually someone being not easily visible at a junction to following bikes. If people want satnav back up, then fair enough. I gives fast and slow riders the opportunity to ride at their own pace too.
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Zitat von PlacidoD im Beitrag #6Zitat von Boxerboy55 im Beitrag #4 It would have worked really well if the other RS hadn't missed that left turn...
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Zitat von L2RKE im Beitrag #7 I always give written details of the lunch stop. That way, worst case scenario, you can re-join the group there. Chris
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13 Plate F800GT with full luggage Past loves: Moto Guzzi Stelvio NTX, Yamaha FJR1300 |
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Zitat von Freddyfruitbat im Beitrag #3Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #1 When you load your satnav you do not load a route only the nominated points on the route. Garmin and tomtom satnavs then decide how to join those points up and often come up with different solutions. Myrouteapp, the planning programme I use, allows you to overlay the Garmin and tomtom routes so you can see where they vary. You can then add more waypoints to ensure they both follow the same route. For Garmin I also turn 'Off route recalculation' to off. If you leave it on automatic it can alter your intended route (not sure if tomtom have the same option). I also change a number of shaping points to waypoints which allows more control. John PS for Garmin read Garmin/BMW. |
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #1 I'd be up for curated rides. All days available in theory. I'd prefer a small group. |
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I am going to pencil in a date for next year. I don't think many will be keen on a ride for the rest of 2021. Easter seems a bit early in mid-April and I have plans for the first bank holiday in May so someone else can take that weekend if they are so inclined. I hope to organise something for the late May bank holiday weekend, 29-31 May 2022. Actual day to be decided.
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Zitat von JAG im Beitrag #10Zitat von Freddyfruitbat im Beitrag #3Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #1 One other thing to watch out for when planning routes if you use time rather than mileage to split up the days is the variation that can occur. The planning program I use is myrouteapp, which in addition to the Garmin and tomtom maps mentioned above has open street map. On a trip next week I planned they gave the following riding time to complete it:- `open street view 29h 4m; Garmin 35h 19m: and tomtom 36h 58m. This is further complicated by the times being different again when you load them onto your satnav. Generally I will beat the Garmin time (the one I always use) but would take longer than the open street view prediction. John |
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Zitat von JAG im Beitrag #13Zitat von JAG im Beitrag #10Zitat von Freddyfruitbat im Beitrag #3Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #1 All good points. Any ride I arrange will be on roads familiar to me and I would base the times on a gentle trundle rather than a ride with a familiar rider on his KTM Super Duke 1300cc thing. Whilst the overall pace might be faster than trundling, you have time factored in to regroup e.g. on the ride Chris organised last weekend, we encountered a village with temporary traffic lights. We did not get through in one go so Chris waited at the exit of the village until he saw the designated back end marker. The other thing, as already modelled by Chris, is to have a designated mid-ride stop for lunch or point of interest. This gives people an opportunity to catch up if they have been delayed or wish to ride slower than the main group. It also gives an opportunity for someone with earlier commitments a chance to join the second half of the ride. The final thing is to have a contingency if there is a delay or road closure. With the route I posted above, it is largely circular so there are a number of options to make the ride shorter by chopping off a segment e.g. bin the leg through Tintern and return to Gloucester along the A48 from Chepstow.
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#15 | RE: Curated group rides in UK, discussion thread
Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:07 pm (Last edited: Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:29 pm)
Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:07 pm (Last edited: Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:29 pm)
Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #12 Think you will find that the late May Bank Holiday is actually in June! www.gov.uk/bank-holidays As it happens I am already double booked for that bank holiday. Chris 19 Plate R1250RS Exclusive with "bells & whistles" & full colour matched luggage |
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