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Zitat von PlacidoD im Beitrag #15 in that case, maybe the last Saturday in May, which would mean the nice chip shop is open to allow some alfresco dining on the riverbank
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I am a Yank currently in Germany, and I have been wanting to catch the Chunnel or a ferry to the UK and do some riding. I would love to meet up with someone(s) and get a tour of the area. Riding with a local would also help to me to stay on the right (left) side of the motorways.
"This year I'm riding my motorcycle to trailer week"
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#18 | RE: Curated group rides in UK, discussion thread
Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:54 am (Last edited: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:02 am)
Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:54 am (Last edited: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:02 am)
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"I am a Yank currently in Germany, and I have been wanting to catch the Chunnel or a ferry to the UK and do some riding. I would love to meet up with someone(s) and get a tour of the area. Riding with a local would also help to me to stay on the right (left) side of the motorways." 19 Plate R1250RS Exclusive with "bells & whistles" & full colour matched luggage |
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This ride(s) will be for 2022 when the weather gets to a certain point. I appreciate the offer and look forward to the ride(s) in the future.
"This year I'm riding my motorcycle to trailer week"
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Zitat von Hydrashok158 im Beitrag #19 I am happy to suggest or lead routes in South & Mid Wales (S Wales Valleys, Brecon Beacons, Cambrian Mountains, Wye Valley), Gloucestershire (Cotswolds, Forest of Dean) and Herefordshire (Malverns, Wye Valley, Black Mountains).
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Zitat von Freddyfruitbat im Beitrag #3 Just catching up on this thread as I've been away and missed the follow up. I have to say that one thing which worries me about the drop off system is the issue of potential liability if shit happens. Whenever I've been on a rideout using this system, with different groups, it's been the leader who has decided when a corner marker has been needed, and then indicated by pointing at the road where the second rider should pull over and stop to signal the junction. That's been on the basis of the leader making a snap decision; eg according to road conditions (safety and visibility of the marker) maybe he'll decide to drop off before a roundabout, maybe afterwards. I've certainly seen people being 'dropped off' in very 'non-ideal' places, where they could be in danger of being taken out by another vehicle. My concern as leader would not only be being responsible for this, but also for the potential aftermath. Yes, you can say that it's the second rider's responsibility under these circumstances to 'ride their own ride' and be responsible for their own safety, but it's really not hard to imagine someone trying it on in the event of an incident, is it? For sure, my own bike insurer wouldn't cover anything like that, but even if there wasn't a case to answer it would still be a huge stress and hassle fending it off. Hence my decision to use GPS on that occasion...
KC100->CB100N->CB250RS--------->DL650AL2->R1200RS
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Zitat von Freddyfruitbat im Beitrag #21Zitat von Freddyfruitbat im Beitrag #3 It is a consideration and became a hot topic in the 1990s when I was running a branch of the Honda Owners Club (Three Counties, becoming Gloucestershire after I moved on). The BMF went as far as negotiating with an underwriter to get cover for affiliated clubs at preferential rates. The worry was about the constituted organisation being held responsible should things go wrong. Clubs with a constitution come under a separate body of law to regulate things such as tax liability, professional indemnity, alcohol licensing etc. Up to that point the HOC was using "marshalls" wearing hi-viz tabards acting like police officers, stopping traffic at junctions. This is not something I would condone and demonstrates a level of arrogance and can only cause ill feeling with other motorists. This forum does not come under such regulation. People have organised group rides for over a century and I have been doing it since the mid 1990s, sometimes in a formal structure as with the HOC. I have not encountered anything in that time to put me off. Andrew Dalton is a solicitor and journalist for the Bauer Group (MCN, Bike & Ride) and he is not saying to stop organising rides, just making people aware of the legal consequences if they take the piss https://www.whitedalton.co.uk/motorbike-...oups-pros-cons/ When I use the drop off system as leader I leave the decision to mark a junction to the 2nd bike and for them to decide where to actually stop. As long as they are obeying traffic law then all should be well from a safety and indemnity point of view. The system only works if you also have a designated back marker who will know if the markers are stopping safely. Ultimately, the leader of any ride needs to conduct their own risk assessment and decide if the ride is viable with the drop off system or needs a series of waypoints for a rendezvous. On my last group ride with friends I know well, all with different riding styles etc, I chose the latter.
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It is such a shame we have grown into a blame culture. I was the ride captain for a MCC club for a few years and had no problems but it was always a slight concern. I think if its made clear to all that the dropped off rider must are responsible for their own safety and exact stopping point you should be OK. If we let fear of potential repercussions inhibit us the world will be a sorry place to live. |
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #22 I have never had a problem that put anybody at risk of injury using the 2nd man drop system either when taking part or leading such runs. My runs notes always: List the lunch stop so that anybody that gets lost or has to stop for a minor repair can catch up with us there Tell people to ride at their own pace. Advise people to mark any turn off the obvious main route. I largely leave it to them to decide how they mark the junction. (How they cope with a steep camber or narrow road is ultimately a matter for them) I always "proof" a Run and will maybe seek to avoid a junction with poor visibility or give a more specific direction as to where to pull up because I have considered it and they have had no time to do so. I always slow to check in the mirrors that a junction is marked before speeding on. I either ride at the speed of the bike behind me or stop to let them catch up Adopting the above stragegy I have never known an accident or incident. I have however come across just a few riders who left their brains at home: ** Marking a cross-roads at its entry rather than exit leaving people guessing which of three turnings to follow ** An idiot who, despite me explaining the system to him in detail, would pause to mark a turn only until the next rider hove into view and would then set off again!! He had watched others do it properly for over 40 minutes by then. I stopped and explained the system to him yet again and still he got it wrong!! By then others had got the measure of him and overtook him and kept doing so. So he never got another chance. All part of life's rich tapestry!! Chris
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Zitat von winteramw im Beitrag #23 Good move, I love Anglesey |
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Zitat von winteramw im Beitrag #23 Uuugh, each to their own but the very thought of being or having a ride 'Captain' turns me right off the thought of riding with a group. No offence!
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Only ever been on one organised ride and didn't enjoy it at all, so generally I ride solo and if others are involved then I just arrange to meet them at an agreed destination with a time frame, its a lot easier with sat nav and mobiles nowadays. |
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Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #26 No way would I want the description "Captain". I am simply the run leader.*** The whole thing needs to be kept informal and sociable not drilled with military precision. I have made some firm friends via the FJ/FJR Club and been guided around parts of the country I would not otherwise get to see. But equally I enjoy riding around Europe on my own. *** If I were a Run Captain I would fear some wag christening me "Captain Mainwaring"!!! Chris
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Zitat von PlacidoD im Beitrag #28Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #26 Better than Captain Pugwash...
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