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Pros/Cons of 3 luggage options: H&B, Givi, Shad
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I'm enjoying the hunt to accessorize my new '20 RS. :) I plan to use it for sport touring, which to me, means mostly day trips, but a handful of usually 4-10 day trips. And as such, I need luggage. I've had Givi side/top box combo before on my VFR800 and the BMW side bags and a custom top mount and soft tail bag on my K1600GT. Liked both setups a lot for their respective bikes. I only have one piece to transfer to RS though, and it, of course, won't fit quite right. so, despite my bike being equipped with the OEM side bag mounts, I am actively looking at other options.
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Zitat von backRoadS im Beitrag #1 I would go with Givi as it is cheaper as you point out and for me, they seem to have the widest range of fitting kits so your expense when you change bikes is just another fitting kit for a few hundred bucks, if that. I have found the Monokey stuff very durable. I have a 45 litre topbox bought used in 1996, used as my everyday luggage for commuting, shopping etc. I also have a set of Kappa (sister brand) 40 litre side cases used very rarely and a set of E21 side cases for trips with the topbox. I bought a set of 3 locks so the E21 boxes & topbox use the same key. |
Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:00 am (Last edited: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:01 am)
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I have the BMW luggage so can't help directly with your question, but would highly suggest getting a set that have liners available and include them in your budget. Removable liners actually make hard bags useful. |
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Zitat von TriangleRider im Beitrag #4 You can use any soft bag really. Sometimes having a smaller bag can be an advantage as you can leave a few items like the puncture repair kit, spare gloves etc in the pannier and only take your overnight needs and day clothes into the hotel e.g. in my 45 litre topbox, I use a bag that is designed for a 35 litre pannier. This contains everything needed for a 3 night stay in a base hotel without needing to carry bike related stuff up to my room. |
Zitat von backRoadS im Beitrag #1 I had a pair of top loading bags in the 70s and I did not like digging through everything to get at the item I wanted on the bottom. After that I always bought side opening bags. With a side opening pannier and side opening liner it's very easy to see everything in the bag when you open it.
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Zitat von backRoadS im Beitrag #1 Where did you get the prices for the Shad bags. On the US distributor site, the MSRP for the SH58X top and mount withe SH36 side cases and 3P mount is $1208. https://www.shadusa.com/cart
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I have used both Givi and Shad systems and have Shad SH35 panniers and SH59X top box on my RS. Overall I like the Shad panniers because they have a shelf in the bottom which makes it easy to load luggage using the inner bags which are available, meaning that the panniers can be left on the bike at all times during trips. The panniers are less easy to fit to the 3P mounting frames than the the Givi panniers are to their frames, but you don't have to do it too often and the frames are much less visually intrusive than the Givi ones when the panniers are not fitted.
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I went with Givi. I'm "happy" with it overall but AM NOT "happy" with only having one option for side cases. I'd normally go with the largest I can use, but I get only one option with an odd-shaped interior smaller than my last set. Knowing that, I wonder if going with someone else would have been a better option. More so, Givi kind of screwed me by selling me a top case with a normal key and side cases with security keys. So, I have to carry two sets of keys. I asked about getting a rekey kit for all three, but the cases are not compatible...can't make the topcase security keyed or the side cases normal keyed.
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:08 pm (Last edited: Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:09 pm)
Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #9 That is maybe a plus point with the Shad stuff - the pannier sets come with a spare lock which can be installed in a top box so that all three use the same key. Swapping the top box lock is perhaps not as easy as it should be, though there are YouTube guides which help. Fred |
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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #9 Hah. I encountered this in 2016. I had a selection of standard Monokey boxes but the only option from Givi was the V series panniers with their wonky shaped frames that don't take regular boxes. I solved the problem by buying Evo Quick Release frames from SW Motech via a dealer in Estonia, saving a few quid on the price from the UK importer, and a set of Givi adapters. I'm sure I posted about this elsewhere on here. |
Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #11 On the plus side it has forced me to learn to pack very minimally.
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All, Thank You! Very helpful info here. I've responded to and added some thoughts below, but in gross summary, think I'm starting to lean towards Shad setup. Low profile rack (though non-removable), expandable top box, looks good on bike, nearly same price as Givi (thanks @Mr. 36654 !). Both have limited side case options, but Shad includes matched keys (thx @zer0netgain & @fred_jb ) for top box and 'shelf' for side loading, which may neutralize leading benefit of top-load H&B boxes. I don't like the proprietary/limiting mount setup of Givi or Shad, but get they did that for looks/fit. @wessie solution is a solid one if you can find the SWM rack. That said, pretty much all these require new racks on a new bike, but likely can reuse cases. Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2 I too have found Givi bags quite durable and reliable. And their extensive product lineup (and cheaper 'basic' bag line up) is attractive to snag some potential different configuration options. I've heard v good things about Shad lately, however. and the expandable top case is intriguing and versatile. I do like that Givi's side rack is removable; Shad's appreciably smaller, however. Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #5Zitat von TriangleRider im Beitrag #4 Agreed! I never really saw the point until I got my K1600 and went on a long weekend ride with some friends, also with K16s. Our first night, as I start fiddling with getting my luggage off, I've barely got the key turned in one bag, and these guys are walking in carrying their bag liners laughing. :) I ended up with bag liners, and packing cubes in the bag liners lol. Do you guys use the side-bag-specific liners? after market? generic? I'll probably play around with cost/benefit of existing bags/liners I have and new ones. I've switched to trying to leave the "on-bike" stuff in the top case/tail bag, since it usually says on, even on day rides, but will have to see if that approach will work with my new setup. I'd say my 'best' setup, was when I could unclip two Givi E360's from the side and throw my bagster tank bag over my shoulder, leaving my E460 top case locked to my VFR. one-trip in/out to hotel/motel. may be time to go back to something along those lines. Zitat von Lee im Beitrag #6 Thanks for this. I've been wondering about just this. On the one hand, I see their point - nothing spills out when you open it. Otoh, with careful packing (cubes or bags) and included bunnies. you can generally keep things largely in place. And to your point, more easily parse through the contents. I've certainly had some stuff spill out. but the clam shell/side open definitely provides more access. I also worry that those AL boxes sit kinda high, above seat line due to pipe clearance on right side.. and that might not be idea center of gravity wise. I also wonder about the ease of getting big liners in/out unless they've got some structure to them. Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #7 Thanks @Mr. 36654 ! I had been using Revzilla (and had included 2 top cases by accident). So you are correct! Though @fred_jb's picture is making me contemplate the 59x cause it looks nice matched to SH35. So total for SH35+SH59X, with both racks = $1298 Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #11 How do you like the Ego QR rack? Quality? sturdy? do you actually remove it? Or leave it on? Curious, as if it's truly easy on/off and remains sturdy, this is a good feature of Givi and SWM racks. I could see myself being lazy, however, and leaving it on if it's a PITA. |
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:52 pm (Last edited: Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:53 pm)
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Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:41 pm (Last edited: Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:47 pm)
Zitat von backRoadS im Beitrag #13 I probably don't need to say this, but in case anyone thinks you can buy the Shad luggage colour matched to the bike, you can't! I had parts of mine painted to match the bike (at great expense!). As standard the panniers and top box are black with aluminium side panels on the panniers and aluminium top panel on the SH59X top box. If you buy the SH58X top box it comes with a carbon fibre effect top panel but you can buy replacements for that in, I think, white, black and silver. You can also get the SH36 panniers which are about 3 cms wider on each side, but unlike the SH35, are big enough to take a helmet. The SH36 panniers don't have aluminium side panels, but do come with a removeable top panel, and like the SH58X, as standard this is carbon effect, but you can buy coloured replacements. The black plastic seems to pick up marks from boots, etc, fairly easily, and I have sometimes fitted helicopter tape in the most vulnerable areas for protection. I have also in the past resprayed the cases with Halfords black plastic bumper paint which covers any marks and seems to provide a more durable finish. The Shad top boxes require you to fit an adaptor plate to the BMW rack and the mounting plate for the top box then bolts to that. The top boxes come with a suitable plastic mounting plate, but you can buy a nicer looking alloy version. More info on that in the following link to an earlier post: Givi topboxes on an RS To answer another question, I use the Shad pannier liner bags because they are a very close fit to the panniers, so you can fully fill them knowing that they will still fit but without wasting any available space. Fred |
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