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Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:24 pm
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Zitat von BEARR im Beitrag #17Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #16 no idea how it works with the US but in the UK, stock can become expensive once past a fixed period as the dealer is charged interest by BMW under the stocking plan. Most dealers will pre-register unloved bikes rather than offer a discount not part of a nationwide BMW scheme (usually a finance deposit contribution). They benefit by not paying inflated "stocking" interest rates to BMW and they might achieve a bonus target with the extra "sale". The bike will go into used stock, become a demo bike, a service loan bike or as with many of the R18, given to senior managers as personal transport. My last service loaner was a F900R, a worthy bike but it's competing with some very good bikes from Yamaha, KTM & Triumph so has poor sales. KTM dealers are currently offering £3000 discounts on Super Dukes, which is their tradition each year to get rid of unsold bikes. Honda, Ducati, Triumph, Yamaha & Suzuki are doing the "free" accessories bundle thing e.g. £1500 of bling for your Tracer GT+. Kawasaki have cash discounts. Seems it's a tough market with a lot of choice for an ever shrinking bike buying demographic, at the large cc end of the market at least. Many of my older peers have given up long trips and the big bike has gone, replaced with a classic bike and maybe a 400cc KTM/Husqvarna for Sunday jollies.
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Wow...interesting analysis, wessie. Makes a lot of sense. The younger generation doesn't want cars, houses, kids, marriage, work...or motorcycles. They'll consider a scooter, if it's electric. But big-ticket items...forget it. They may be smarter than I give them credit for...if it weren't for their slavish devotion to "smart" devices and social media. |
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Zitat von BEARR im Beitrag #19 We have a lot of young riders. Many in the gig economy delivering stuff. If a 17 year old passes the CBT (basic training) they can ride a 125cc scooter or motorcycle (not many of those) on L(earner) plates for 2 years. Often the bike is supplied by Pizza Hut etc but most own their bike and work via Deliveroo, Ubereats etc. At 19, they can take an A2 test to ride a bike up to 47 bhp. This must be an active sector across Europe as many makers are releasing A2 compatible bikes. They would need to wait until 21 to take a full A test for larger bikes, and few will do that. The A2 pass lasts for life so they might remain riding a 47bhp bike longer term. Since covid we have also seen a growth in city commuters using powered two wheelers. They don't like unreliable and crowded public transport, and even petrol scooters are currently exempt from the emission zone restrictions. Increasing numbers are electric like these Super Soco https://www.e-moto.co.uk/super-soco - a Chinese brand with about 30% share in the UK e-bike market.
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My daughter and her husband both ride motorcycles and have done so since they were teenagers. But their 23 and 25 year old girls don't want to drive anything. Right now their mother drives them around when they really need to go somewhere, otherwise they stay at home and spend their time socializing on the internet. I keep wondering how long that can last.
Current motorcycle collection: 2002 Yamaha FZ1; 2020 KTM 390 Duke; 2009 BMW F650GS; 2018 Zero S 16.6 kWh
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #21 ad infinitum as they will not breed due to zero physical contact with another person then they will have to allow a constant flow of immigration from countries where breeding is not out of fashion, e.g. Mexico, to sustain the productive economy of course, this goes against the narrative the reactionary populists will have us believe, whether in UK, USA or Continental Europe
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #21 If it makes you feel better, my daughter is 18 and has driven all over New England. She's also made her own way from her college in MA to NYC. On the other hand, she has no interest in bikes.
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #18Zitat von BEARR im Beitrag #17Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #16 I suspect US dealers do this by carrying minimal inventory. When I test rode BMW back around 2013, the shop had a variety of models to chose from. Of late, their inventory is sparse. What they order depends on what they are sure will sell. Only “deals” are on bikes that aren’t moving off the floor. Can’t really go to a BMW shop now to test ride without calling first and finding out what they have in stock.
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #22 In the USA, we don’t have enough jobs for all of those “immigrants.” There is a more notorious explanation regarding the youth unwilling to do military service, but I won’t go further than that. Just read up on the fall of the Roman Empire…and look at the ever increasing drumbeat for war. 
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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #25Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #22 with a falling birth rate and an increase in people becoming economically inactive as the last tranche of baby boomers retire, you will have plenty of jobs, especially in health and social care. The Japanese economy is already being crippled by these demographic trends. In the UK we are starting to close primary schools due to the low birth rate and this will have a massive impact on the available workforce in 15-20 years, just as people in my generation are making a peak demand on health and social care. Policy makers here have their head in the sand about this looming problem due to short termism and a knee jerk response to immigration being a bad thing. I don't think the US is much different in terms of your demographics and consensus relating to immigration.
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #26Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #25Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #22 These guys are radicals, but agree with your comment. https://www.uschamber.com/workforce/the-...-labor-shortage https://www.uschamber.com/workforce/unde...cted-industries
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2021 was the last year I sat on my Borough Council. I was on the Finance committee and worked on the budget for 2022. In 2021, the Borough paid off the pension plan funding penalty, which reduced our annual pension costs by over $350,000. In a $3M budget, that's a big cost reduction and a good reason for a tax cut. During my review of the proposed budget for 2022, that $350,000 savings couldn't be found, but the current year (2021) balance was coming in with a surplus exceeding $300,000. When questioned, the Borough's Financial Person stated in a public meeting and with no evidence..........a state aid program in existence since 1984 would be slashed by over 60% and Biden's 2022 budget was going to crash the Stock Market, drastically reducing income tax revenue. The right-minded Council voted for a 3% tax increase, just because .......... people don't mind small tax increases and we better be prepared for the market crash.
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #26Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #25Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #22 Perhaps it’s one of perspective. Yeah, the Baby Boomers retiring is an issue because the current kids don’t know how to do fundamental tasks and colleges/universities are churning out idiots employers don’t want. Add in a push for UBI so people don’t “have to” work, and you do need replacement laborers. This is nothing like Japan’s situation. We’ve created an entitled generation that finishes high school unable to read, write or do math at the same levels as my generation did. How is mass importing of unvetted illegal immigrants going to solve the problem? Indeed, it’s just creating a new group of disenfranchised to be cheap labor for the machine. We have no shortage of bodies legally eligible to work in the USA…it’s more that an increasing number are poor employees and expect others to provide for them.
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