RE: Track day on RS, remove centre stand? - 4

As you learned, dragging cylinder heads is to be avoided. It can put you on the ground in a hurry. If you are dragging heads on the street be very, very careful at VIR. There are several corners where it is easy to get big lean angles at decent speeds. Since you are already dragging your heads and comfortable at those lean angles you will need to dial it back a bit at VIR, which is not an easy thing to do at a track day.

As an aside, if you are in the A group do not expect a lot of instruction at CLASS. They have some perfunctory classroom sessions, but they are minimal and only done so that they can be called a school. They mostly involve Reg reminding you he won a championship in the 70s. If you are in the A group and want instruction, you need to be proactive and find a coach before each session and specifically tell them what you want to work on. Not sure if they do more in the B group.

Zitat von duccrazydave im Beitrag #45

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What preload setting where you running when the heads hit the deck?

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Zitat von TriangleRider im Beitrag #46

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As you learned, dragging cylinder heads is to be avoided. It can put you on the ground in a hurry. If you are dragging heads on the street be very, very careful at VIR. There are several corners where it is easy to get big lean angles at decent speeds. Since you are already dragging your heads and comfortable at those lean angles you will need to dial it back a bit at VIR, which is not an easy thing to do at a track day.

As an aside, if you are in the A group do not expect a lot of instruction at CLASS. They have some perfunctory classroom sessions, but they are minimal and only done so that they can be called a school. They mostly involve Reg reminding you he won a championship in the 70s. If you are in the A group and want instruction, you need to be proactive and find a coach before each session and specifically tell them what you want to work on. Not sure if they do more in the B group.

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Zitat von backRoadS im Beitrag #48

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Thanks @TriangleRider, good advice. If I do need to dial it back and am successful at it at the track, that could be useful in the street too lol

Sounds like you've done both class and VIR (together or separately). My understanding is Reg is no longer teaching every class, especially on east coast, but I'm sure the'll be a reminder or two. I am hoping to get some quality instruction, however. That's the main reason I'm going. I can coach myself all day long, but it's more helpful to have someone objectively help me improve. Good advice, though and I will seek someone out if I'm not getting it. They ask you if you think you're [my words] group A or B and based on what I found, I selected A... but they also said they'd evaluate us upon arrival. I'm there to learn so I'm fine with whatever, but am paying the money to learn, so I'll be kinda pissed if it's a free for all track day where I don't exit having learned a few things. Especially since this is my first track day on any bike and this specific class was recommended by a trusted friend who's done it twice.

Top of my list: body position (getting of the seat in the right way) and improved throttle management/control through turns. I'd certainly welcome more.

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Zitat von TriangleRider im Beitrag #46

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As you learned, dragging cylinder heads is to be avoided. It can put you on the ground in a hurry. If you are dragging heads on the street be very, very careful at VIR. There are several corners where it is easy to get big lean angles at decent speeds. Since you are already dragging your heads and comfortable at those lean angles you will need to dial it back a bit at VIR, which is not an easy thing to do at a track day.

As an aside, if you are in the A group do not expect a lot of instruction at CLASS. They have some perfunctory classroom sessions, but they are minimal and only done so that they can be called a school. They mostly involve Reg reminding you he won a championship in the 70s. If you are in the A group and want instruction, you need to be proactive and find a coach before each session and specifically tell them what you want to work on. Not sure if they do more in the B group.

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Zitat von Ray B im Beitrag #38

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well done - but a reminder, the RS behaves more politely in turns if you roll the throttle on and stay off the front brake - in which case pegs will touch first, especially if there is a little unevenness to the pavement.

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Zitat von TriangleRider im Beitrag #51

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Zitat von Ray B im Beitrag #38

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well done - but a reminder, the RS behaves more politely in turns if you roll the throttle on and stay off the front brake - in which case pegs will touch first, especially if there is a little unevenness to the pavement.

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Generally that may suit your riding style, but that is about you and not the RS. I trail brake aggressively on the RS and find it responds very well. The bike is more adaptable than you might think.

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backroadS, you're going to love VIR!
But, as TriangleRider mentioned, there are some off camber surprises. Particularly T7, just past the crossover bridge (if it's a North Course event). Been participating in Aaron Stevenson's Cornerspeed events since 2001. Whether school or trackdays, he usually has quite a few instructors available to answer questions and follow and offer tips. Will be looking forward to a ride report

I´ve been thinking about this post and people asking about which rear suspension settings to use. Surely which ever you choose does not affect the cylinder head height?

IN actual fact the higher you go the more lean angle you need to get you knee down?

Or am I missing something?

Zitat von spainy im Beitrag #54

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I´ve been thinking about this post and people asking about which rear suspension settings to use. Surely which ever you choose does not affect the cylinder head height?

IN actual fact the higher you go the more lean angle you need to get you knee down?

Or am I missing something?

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I’m with you about the knee down completely. I use it as a point of reference but the taller the bike the more you need to lean to get that point of reference.

Try getting your knee down on a pitbike ( piece of piss) then jump on a crf 250 supermotard and try it. Much more difficult as you are a lot higher and need to lean more. So for me it would make sense to keep the frame lower and have that point of reference much earlier. Unless having it on the lowest point meant it also being too bouncy.

Zitat von Sanemancured im Beitrag #55

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Maybe. Increasing rear preload raises the rear of the bike considerably.

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I take using a ‘positive throttle’ in a bend as a given Ray. A settled bike with ideal weight distribution and suspension settled and available.
The IAM, who I work for and who follow police training methods and ideology, don’t approve of trail braking. All braking is to be done when upright.
The rule that you must be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear in bends applies.
So if you have to stop in a bend you aren’t allowed to practice or develop the techniques needed to do so…….

Zitat von Sanemancured im Beitrag #58

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I take using a ‘positive throttle’ in a bend as a given Ray. A settled bike with ideal weight distribution and suspension settled and available.
The IAM, who I work for and who follow police training methods and ideology, don’t approve of trail braking. All braking is to be done when upright.
The rule that you must be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear in bends applies.
So if you have to stop in a bend you aren’t allowed to practice or develop the techniques needed to do so…….

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On track too on what is called a 'road skills day'.

Not braking in corners is a black and white thing. That's all well and good until you make a mistake and you have to brake in a corner. It's a tool we need in the box. But I'm committing heresy