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#16 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:27 pm

Zitat von duccrazydave im Beitrag #15
I experienced the same thing on tar snakes, here in NC. Typically that situation hides itself until the temps hit the 90's, but I found more sensitivity even at lower temps with the Dunlop's.
As far as noise, the Metzeler Roadtec 01 was the noisiest front tire I've used. A constant singing, regardless of the mileage.

I've found Metzlers to be noisy ,too, and I think it is the tread pattern of the front. I remember this even back in the day with my '99 R1100S when slowing down through ~40 mph. The Dunlop RSIII's were "roaring" from the first ride in brand new just mounted condition. Good ear plugs cancel out most of the annoyances. I've been wearing them for close to 20 years and wish I had started wearing them much earlier, I don't really like riding without them.

Frank

2017 R1200RS- 34,000 mi. 3 yrs.
2003 R1100S Boxer Cup Replika #6/200
1985 K100/1100RS- 326,000 mi. 35 yrs.
2016 R1200RS- 28,322 mi. 18 mo. (gone)
2011 R1200RT- 30,000 mi. 2 yr. (gone)
2005 R1200ST- 58,000 mi. 8 yr. 3rd deer killed it.
1999 R1100S- 15,000 mi. 2 yr. (gone)
1996 Ducati 900SS/SP- 89,000 mi. 12 yr. (gone)
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#17 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:47 pm

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#18 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:07 pm

Zitat von sunshine247 im Beitrag #17
My new Dunlop RS3s are made in France. I would guess the USA sold versions are not? So potentially a different tyre with the same branding? I'm just speculating. Might make a nonsense of us comparing tyres from Australia vs. Europe vs. USA/Canada perhaps?

I just checked my RS3s and they were made in Japan. I haven't seen a tire manufactured in Japan for a while.

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#19 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:18 pm

My new Dunlop RS3s are made in France. I would guess the USA sold versions are not? So potentially a different tyre with the same branding? I'm just speculating. Might make a nonsense of us comparing tyres from Australia vs. Europe vs. USA/Canada perhaps?

I just checked my RS3s and they were made in Japan. I haven't seen a tire manufactured in Japan for a while.

While reading up on tyres a while back I came across a comment from a guy in the trade stating in his experience Michelin and Bridgestone provided the most constant quality, just a guess but is it because perhaps they control manufacturing in one location? This could explain the first comment as attached above branding to sell but manufacturing differences hidden behind.

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#20 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:00 pm

Dunlop Tyre branding is complex.

The Japanese giant Sumitomo controls the brand in most of Asia and N.America, having bought out Goodyear's part share.

There is a separate Dunlop India entity.

In Europe, Goodyear still control the brand and own the French factory in Montlucon. They closed all UK factories and opened ones in Poland and Slovenia.

From past experience, I think Sumitomo design the new tyres as they always seem to be launched in the US & Japan first. A few months later they appear in Europe, presumably once Goodyear has licensed the design. I doubt there is much difference unless there is a mismatch in US DOT & EU CE specification. As Japan ships vehicles worldwide I can't see them making 2 different types of tyre for these markets.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunlop_Tyres so E&OE

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#21 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:09 am

The RoadSmart 4 is out, at least in USA.
https://www.dunlopmotorcycletires.com/tire-line/sportmax-roadsmart-iv/

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#22 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:35 am

Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #9
Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #5
Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #4
The nosiest tires that I have used are the Michelin Anakee III tires that I are fitted on my F650GS. The older they get the more of a howl they make, especially when leaned over at high speed. However, they do seem to stick well, have neutral handling when worn and have a long lifespan.

Big tread making noise is no surprise

But the tire doesn't have big tread. What it has are a bunch of small holes in the tire that make up the "tread".

A mountain or a crevasse, it's a rapid and deep change in contour about the tire. Think of those channels as pistons working on the flow.

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#23 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:12 pm

Zitat von sodapop im Beitrag #21
The RoadSmart 4 is out, at least in USA.
https://www.dunlopmotorcycletires.com/tire-line/sportmax-roadsmart-iv/

Searching the usual sources (Revzilla, STG, etc.) and haven't found them available, yet.

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#24 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:03 pm

I'm curious about the front tread pattern.

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#25 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:48 pm

Why are ypu curious?

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#26 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:59 pm

Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #24
I'm curious about the front tread pattern.

I have always been under the impression that motorcycle tread patterns are more of a marketing-thing than one developed through scientific testing. If they were really designed for maximum traction, longevity and other important factors, then why are they revised with every new (and more expensive) tire model that comes out? Especially as motorcycle tires have been manufactured with different tread pattern designs for at least the past 50 years. You would think that by now tread designs would have stabilized into ones that are best for the job. But instead they keep being redesigned with a new look and more hype justifying their new and improved design with every new tire model.

I might add that my Royal Enfield is running on new and recently purchased Dunlop K70 tires, which was the tire that came on my 1971 Triumph Bonneville from the factory. They have what used to be called "trial universal" tread and seem to work just fine on pavement, in the wet, and on smooth dirt roads.

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#27 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:24 pm

Zitat von duccrazydave im Beitrag #15

As far as noise, the Metzeler Roadtec 01 was the noisiest front tire I've used. A constant singing, regardless of the mileage.

You guys need poor hearing like me and wear ear plugs :)
I can't hear tire noise.

Lee
2016 R1200RS
Iowa, USA

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#28 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:01 pm

Zitat von Ray im Beitrag #25
Why are ypu curious?

It might be purely coincidence, but with the tread change between PR4 and PR5's, the front tire tread life lost around 3000 miles in my experience. Others have mentioned a similar experience.

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#29 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:01 pm

Zitat von Lee im Beitrag #27
Zitat von duccrazydave im Beitrag #15

As far as noise, the Metzeler Roadtec 01 was the noisiest front tire I've used. A constant singing, regardless of the mileage.

You guys need poor hearing like me and wear ear plugs :)
I can't hear tire noise.

On a motorcycle, I agree.

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#30 | RE: Dunlop RoadSmart 3 datum

Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:49 am

Zitat von Lee im Beitrag #27
Zitat von duccrazydave im Beitrag #15

As far as noise, the Metzeler Roadtec 01 was the noisiest front tire I've used. A constant singing, regardless of the mileage.

You guys need poor hearing like me and wear ear plugs :)
I can't hear tire noise.

My hearing isn't what it used to be. And the earplugs I wear while riding make it difficult to even hear someone talking to me, with the helmet on. Yet I could hear the Metzeler quite clear...or it could have been the voices in my head

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