R1200RS + R1250RS Forum
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:24 am
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Zitat von h2nra im Beitrag #4 Is that an RS wheel? Soft rims have been a BMW curse for over a decade. My R1200S wheel became bent. Had a 'pro' straightener deliver a less than satisfactory repair. (R1200S wheels have been NLA for some time now). Given this history I would be sorely disappointed if my prospective RS experienced a bent front wheel. |
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Could it have happened during the shipping of your bike to your dealer from the distributor or from the factory?
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #6 bit late even if that is the case - you would need to point out this before accepting delivery to make such a claim |
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On my 2007 R1200R the rear tire was put on backwards at the factory. No one noticed it until I brought the bike in for its 600 mile servicing. The dealership didn't notice it during the pre-sale inspection, but they did during the first servicing. The shop tried to claim that I had removed the rear tire and reinstalled it backwards. I said, are you kidding? After some groaning the shop remounted the tire in the correct direction. I assume they billed BMW for a warranty claim.
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #8 Are YOU kidding ? A tire mounted backwards and worn for 600 miles ?? This calls for replacement by new tire. There could be some structural damages to the body of the tires itslef. No way I would be riding this.
Ain't no thing like me, except me!
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Zitat von Romawo im Beitrag #9Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #8 Well, it is too late now. I put 8K miles on that tire before replacing it and the entire bike 8 years later when I traded it in for my RS.
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #10Zitat von Romawo im Beitrag #9 Well, it is too late now. I put 8K miles on that tire before replacing it and the entire bike 8 years later when I traded it in for my RS. However when I picked up my RS I did check both tires.
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Dealer recommended local tyre firm who could straighten the rim. I dropped the wheel off and 3 hours later they rang to say sorry the rim cracked on the jig. The first time it's done it apparently. They suggested the rim is unusually soft... So I collected the wheel and visited the dealer pleading my case. They were "going to speak to BMW technical" however later that day came the UK lockdown and so I'm left waiting not only for a new wheel but also for any decision on warranty potential... |
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Zitat von h2nra im Beitrag #12 Best of luck with that . Looks like pothole damage and so not a warranty issue unless the wheel is substandard manufacture - but that will be impossible to tell as you have no evidence of what you hit.
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Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #13Zitat von h2nra im Beitrag #12 Sales of Goods Act still requires goods to be of satisfactory quality. Durability is one of the relevant factors when assessing satisfactory quality. In a consumer purchase, any goods sold that become defective within 6 months of purchase are presumed to have been defective at the point of sale, and the burden of proof is therefore reversed - the vendor has to show they were not defective at the point of sale (and thus supplied in breach of the terms implied into the contract for purchase of the bike that it and its consituent parts be of satisfactory quality). I'd take the position that the wheel was demonstrably defective when supplied. It should never have bent when being ridden on normal roads within 2 weeks. As to whether you hit something unusual in the road, you're the only witness to that and as you say that you didn't you'll just have to take that position and see what they say. As to whether the wheel is of substandard manufacture, actually I'd suggest that's probably verifiable irrespective of what you hit - it's going to be to do with the inherent characteristics of the wheel and the metal it's made of, which could be examined by an expert / metallurgist to see whether it was defective / soft and so more susceptible to failure. Unless you (or your legal protection insurer, see below) is prepared to pay for someone independent to do that, your best plan of action is probably to try and persuade the dealer to return the wheel to BMW for analysis and place your trust in BMW doing an honest appraisal of the wheel. The fact that the wheel broke on the jig probably supports the suggestion there's a defect, but unfortunately you may get the answer that going to the wheel repairer without the dealer's agreement means they are not liable because they'll allege the wheel repairer did something wrong. The best thing to do if you get nowhere with the dealer in trying to get the wheel replaced is probably to check if you have family legal protection cover on any home or other insurance policies that cover you for breach of consumer contract situations - if you do, then subject to any excess your insurer should then instruct a lawyer on your behalf to take up a claim. Again though you might find that unfortunately the fact you went to a repairer before involving the insurer affects the cover decision. |
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It's pretty well established in the UK that where a wheel is damaged by hitting a pothole that any liability will be with the local authority responsible for the road. The OP's friend should have taken a photo of the pothole concerned & lodged a claim with the relevant authority for replacement or repair. There are eligibility criteria all explained here https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/...im-compensation. |
