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#1 | A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:27 am

Any advice? I test rode the r1250 rs, but still have the same problem,
when driving during warm weather around 25° Celsius - - -> hot feet 😭 again.
Maybe switching over to 4cyl bmw xr 1000.
Which will you choose?

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#2 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:09 am (Last edited: Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:18 am)

If you primarily ride solo - test ride both of them and see which bike appeals to you. If you primarily ride with a pillion, then do the test ride on the bikes with both of you. The XR is somewhat of an Adventure/touring bike where the RS is somewhat of a sport/sport touring bike.

The longer seat length of the R1250 RS made a decided difference as my wife often rides with me.

Not had an issue with heat from the heads on the RS until the temperature gets north of 35C, even then it is pretty minor. But then I haven't spent much time in stop and go traffic for any length of time.

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#3 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:57 am

I have both, although one generation older than your question, still relevant. 2016 R1200 RS and 2019 S1000XR.

Test ride them both back to back, they are very different!

I am surprised about your comment of heat on the feet from the RS, that's not my experience. My XR puts much more heat on me than the RS. 25C is not hot! At 35C I don't feel engine heat from the RS, but I feel heat from the XR, still, not enough to be a concern, so my criteria is very different from yours.

The engine performance of the XR is superior. The RS is superior is every other respect. Well, maybe not everything, the transmission and the quick shifter on the XR is much better than the RS.

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'19 S1000 XR

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#4 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:22 pm

Wrong place to be asking this but... they're very similar but totally different bikes.
R1250RS has torque in buckets compared to the 1000 which has power in spades, but the top speeds aren't too dissimilar, with the R being 5-10mph slower.
Shaft drive is a consideration & fuel economy is way better on the R.

Take them for a spin & you'll find out how different they are to be aimed at such a similar market.

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#5 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:29 pm

The s1000xr was my first choice until lockdown happened , and my income spiralled into a black hole.

Do I like the r1200rs , yes I do. It´s refined, comfy, good for touring, punchy , no chain to piss about with.....but I still cannot get used to the sound of the engine and the clunky gears. I always sounds like its about to blow up, or leave the gearbox behind in the middle of the road. Earplugs sort that problem well, but the times that I go without them ....yikes! Coming from an inline 4, it´s hard to listen to. That´s maybe what keeps me going back to the XR everytime.

I would still love to try the XR(the new one tho without all the vibes) which is supposedly much more pleasant for touring than the old one and a bit more relaxed throughout. This thread has got me watching youtube videos of XR´s on the track and man do they look fun! How can you have a trail that is that fast, amazing!

Once things pick up (let´s hope they do) I will be reviewing the situation....but will still enjoy the RS in the meantime.

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#6 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:32 pm

Zitat von Hedgehog im Beitrag #4
Wrong place to be asking this but... they're very similar but totally different bikes.
R1250RS has torque in buckets compared to the 1000 which has power in spades, but the top speeds aren't too dissimilar, with the R being 5-10mph slower.
Shaft drive is a consideration & fuel economy is way better on the R.

Take them for a spin & you'll find out how different they are to be aimed at such a similar market.

Is the top speed that low on the XR? That surprises me!

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#7 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:15 pm

Zitat von Paffen im Beitrag #1
Any advice? I test rode the r1250 rs, but still have the same problem,
when driving during warm weather around 25° Celsius - - -> hot feet 😭 again.
Maybe switching over to 4cyl bmw xr 1000.
Which will you choose?

Paffen, I offer my direct comments to your question noting that you already have an R1200RS and are familiar with the platform.

I live in Houston which is a heck of a lot hotter than Belgium. Here the temperatures frequently go over 95 deg.F (35 deg.C) in summer and occasionally over 100 deg.F (38 deg.C). I have had my R1200RS for 6 such summers riding as a commuter and taking occasional long distance trips in hot weather. I also have an S1000R which would be similar to the S1000XR in many respects including heat produced.

With respect to heat produced the R12xxRS is, in my experience, no comparison whatsoever to the S-bike. The RS produces engine heat low down, i.e. shins downwards where the slipstream effectively carries it away. In my summer conditions I can feel some heat over and above ambient but it is no way uncomfortable for me, such that I don't even think about it.

The S1000R is a whole other animal. Making over 160 hp it also generates a lot of heat - moreso than the RS. High horsepower bikes tend to do that. Not only does it generate more heat but it generates it in an entirely different area - one not as easily cooled by the slipstream. It greatly warms your thighs and your backside, leaving the knees downwards relatively cooler.

So if you want a bike that is cooler in 25 deg.C weather, then the S1000XR is not the way to go. You would need a smaller displacement / horsepower bike than the RS, and I can only suggest a parallel twin with a lower muffler ... something like the Honda CBR500R I used to own.

Regards,
Grumpy Goat
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2016 BMW R1200RS
2014 BMW S1000R

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#8 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:34 pm

Zitat von Grumpy Goat im Beitrag #7
Zitat von Paffen im Beitrag #1
Any advice? I test rode the r1250 rs, but still have the same problem,
when driving during warm weather around 25° Celsius - - -> hot feet 😭 again.
Maybe switching over to 4cyl bmw xr 1000.
Which will you choose?

Paffen, I offer my direct comments to your question noting that you already have an R1200RS and are familiar with the platform.

I live in Houston which is a heck of a lot hotter than Belgium. Here the temperatures frequently go over 95 deg.F (35 deg.C) in summer and occasionally over 100 deg.F (38 deg.C). I have had my R1200RS for 6 such summers riding as a commuter and taking occasional long distance trips in hot weather. I also have an S1000R which would be similar to the S1000XR in many respects including heat produced.

With respect to heat produced the R12xxRS is, in my experience, no comparison whatsoever to the S-bike. The RS produces engine heat low down, i.e. shins downwards where the slipstream effectively carries it away. In my summer conditions I can feel some heat over and above ambient but it is no way uncomfortable for me, such that I don't even think about it.

The S1000R is a whole other animal. Making over 160 hp it also generates a lot of heat - moreso than the RS. High horsepower bikes tend to do that. Not only does it generate more heat but it generates it in an entirely different area - one not as easily cooled by the slipstream. It greatly warms your thighs and your backside, leaving the knees downwards relatively cooler.

So if you want a bike that is cooler in 25 deg.C weather, then the S1000XR is not the way to go. You would need a smaller displacement / horsepower bike than the RS, and I can only suggest a parallel twin with a lower muffler ... something like the Honda CBR500R I used to own.

I have a 2016 XR and a 2016 RS. Maybe the fairing on the XR modifies the airflow. Last year, when in France & Luxembourg the temperature was in the high 30s C and peaked at 43C. I found the hottest air exited the frame around my ankles. I made one ride in regular trousers on a day trip in Lux. The rest of my touring group took the day off and headed for air conditioned bars but I wanted to see Esch sur Sure. I ended up with quite a burn on my left ankle. On previous days I could feel the heat but my Daytona boot, Rukka trousers, sock & base layer provided adequate insulation.

I have ridden the RS in Spain in the mid to high 30s and a peak of 43C in Portugal. As you say, not a problem as the heat dissipates quickly in the airflow.

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#9 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:43 am

Well fellow riders,

TX for sharing the advices and experiences.

The r 1250 rs will be the next bike.

I do miss my previous bike, bmw k1200r sport
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Never understand why bmw stopped this production line,

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#10 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:40 pm

Great pics.

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#11 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:17 pm

Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #8

I have a 2016 XR and a 2016 RS. Maybe the fairing on the XR modifies the airflow. .

Wind management by the fairing design makes a big difference.
We did not notice heat on our legs when we had the K1300S inline four with 175 HP.
The R1200RS is the first bike we have owned where we noticed heat on our feet.
The heat is noticeable but not bad

Lee
2016 R1200RS
Iowa, USA

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#12 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:54 pm

That�s is strange. Even here in southern Spain I can�t say I have noticed the heat problem.

I have noticed it�s good for keeping cold air off your feet tho , that�s a bonus.

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#13 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:52 am (Last edited: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:21 pm)

Zitat von spainy im Beitrag #12
That�s is strange. Even here in southern Spain I can�t say I have noticed the heat problem.

I have noticed it�s good for keeping cold air off your feet tho , that�s a bonus.

This will sound stupid, but I used to have a heat problem on my right foot. However, after changing to a shoe with a wider toe box, that problem went away.

Sometimes, it's not a problem with the bike...........

Old Forum Orphan

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#14 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:26 pm

Zitat von spainy im Beitrag #6
Zitat von Hedgehog im Beitrag #4
Wrong place to be asking this but... they're very similar but totally different bikes.
R1250RS has torque in buckets compared to the 1000 which has power in spades, but the top speeds aren't too dissimilar, with the R being 5-10mph slower.
Shaft drive is a consideration & fuel economy is way better on the R.

Take them for a spin & you'll find out how different they are to be aimed at such a similar market.

Is the top speed that low on the XR? That surprises me!

Listed as 155mph for the mk1 & 2 S1000XR... & my 1250 shows 150mph so is prob about 140-145mph real world... but then the XR maybe quoted at the speedo too.

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#15 | RE: A new r1250rs or new 1000xr? datum

Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:52 am

Suprising that it�s that low. I guess the difference is that it gets there much quicker than the RS.

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