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#1 | Universal exhaust datum

Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:12 pm

Can somebody help me understand why a universal Leo Vince exhaust can costs $215 and a RS specific Leo Vince exhaust can costs $778.

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#2 | RE: Universal exhaust datum

Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:50 pm

Zitat von 64microbus im Beitrag #1
Can somebody help me understand why a universal Leo Vince exhaust can costs $215 and a RS specific Leo Vince exhaust can costs $778.

Because most motorcycle accessory manufacturers, especially the ones that sell exhaust systems, seem to think that BMW owners have more money than they really need and would like to relieve them of their fat wallets.

Current motorcycle collection: 2002 Yamaha FZ1; 2020 KTM 390 Duke; 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500; 2009 BMW F650GS; 2016 BMW R1200RS; 2018 Zero S 16.6 kWh

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#3 | RE: Universal exhaust datum

Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:16 pm

I also have a Z3 that I drive. My mechanic always tells me BMW stands for Bring My Wallet. I haven't had to buy many parts for the RS but some of the parts on the Z3 are very pricy.

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#4 | RE: Universal exhaust datum

Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:13 pm (Last edited: Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:17 pm)

I can tell you from experience that learning to speak German properly takes a long time. Exhaust for Italian bikes should be relatively cheap, since it is very natural to roll your Rs on the front of your tongue. To teach it to role it's Rs deep in the back of it's throat, to give it that truly angry guttural German sound, probably takes a ton of hours with some therapist named Guenther.

How do you expect for me to KNOW my limitations when I haven't even MET them yet?!

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#5 | RE: Universal exhaust datum

Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:18 pm

I suspect that the universal silencer is exactly that, whereas the model specific job will come with a bespoke link pipe, mounting bracket and possibly heat shield. Whether that adds up to $500+ is open to debate!!

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#6 | RE: Universal exhaust datum

Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:04 am (Last edited: Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:05 am)

Zitat von 64microbus im Beitrag #1
Can somebody help me understand why a universal Leo Vince exhaust can costs $215 and a RS specific Leo Vince exhaust can costs $778.

Recommend you send a query to the company and post the response for those of us with insufficient interest or time to do it ourselves. I'll bet the guts are different.

�A good man always knows his limitations.�

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#7 | RE: Universal exhaust datum

Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:26 am

The answer is simple, when looking at the maker's site. The versions specified for the RS at https://www.leovince.com/en-gb/your-bike...e=R%201200%20RS are ECE (European) approved. These are priced at 500-600 UKP for the UK market.

Then, you can find the LV10 being sold for the S1000RR for 220 UKP. This clearly states "race use only" https://www.motorcycle-exhausts.co.uk/Le...uct--18971.html - I'm sure there are universal jobs very similar to this but can't be arsed to search

RS mufflers will sell in very low numbers so the cost of homologation to ECE standards will have to be amortised to this small number. If your DOT does not have a reciprocal arrangement with the ECE then there will be additional costs to load into the equation.

If we were riding a bike sold in the numbers of the GS then some bright spark in China would be knocking out facsimiles on Aliexpress for 99 dollars.

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#8 | RE: Universal exhaust datum

Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:44 pm

Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #7
The answer is simple, when looking at the maker's site. The versions specified for the RS at https://www.leovince.com/en-gb/your-bike...e=R%201200%20RS are ECE (European) approved. These are priced at 500-600 UKP for the UK market.

Then, you can find the LV10 being sold for the S1000RR for 220 UKP. This clearly states "race use only" https://www.motorcycle-exhausts.co.uk/Le...uct--18971.html - I'm sure there are universal jobs very similar to this but can't be arsed to search

RS mufflers will sell in very low numbers so the cost of homologation to ECE standards will have to be amortised to this small number. If your DOT does not have a reciprocal arrangement with the ECE then there will be additional costs to load into the equation.

If we were riding a bike sold in the numbers of the GS then some bright spark in China would be knocking out facsimiles on Aliexpress for 99 dollars.

I think Wessie nailed it. Universal jobs probably aren't DOT/MOT whatever government agency approved, so the cost to manufacture is essentially the only cost, no lawyers and testing and governmental hoops to jump through. Add in the bike specific mounting hardware that makes install a snap, and the relatively low volume of these bikes, and it's just more expensive.

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