Electronics » Self cancelling indicators...

... OK, I know they're generally a good idea & have probably saved a lot of lives, & maybe this last generation of "smart" indicators is even better...

...BUT...

... I wish there was a way to switch them off. I come from the old school of MSM (mirror, signal, maneuver (& PSL)) which means checking behind & signalling before slamming on the brakes & changing line for what I'm about to do, by which time the indicators have cancelled & no one knows what I'm doing.

I haven't forgotten to cancel my indicators since I rode a 125, 25 years ago. It's automatic for me. Leaving my thumb on the button for an indeterminately longer time to get a flashing time calculated by some weird & even more complex algorithm is beyond what I want to think about when I'm coming up to a junction... I want to hit the signal then forget about it!!... until the other side of what I'm negotiating, not wonder if the guy who might pull out in front of me has any idea what I'm about to do... so I check my dash or hit the switch again, neither of which is ideal.

Anyway... rant over. I'm going to look a right idiot if there is a way to switch it off, but I haven't spotted it yet.

I seem to remember that there might be 2 settings that can be altered by a dealer (my memory could be playing tricks here though). If so you might have the shorter setting although mine hasn't been changed from new, at least at my request. Yes, you can't switch it off.

I've only had an issue once or twice in 25,000 miles and that has been when indicating very early on exiting a dual carriageway or motorway and it has cancelled before I've come off the main carriageway. I've been ready for it though.

I'm possibly 'old school' too as an IAM Examiner in my 40th year of membership? It's not been an issue as I've said and I practice not using my indicators unless they are likely to benefit another road user. That helps the observation and thinking skills.

Mine don't seem to self cancel ....

Maybe they did away with it on a software update? I can't recollect mine doing it for a while.

I'll check it out.....

My indicators self-cancel after several miles, just as I am approaching the next intersection and have to use them again.

Mine take longer to self-cancel than I would like but do. They cancel more quickly if I have had a pronounced lean on in a corner.

Chris

TFT equipped BMW's have a much better self-cancelling logarithm. At highway speeds they flash 5 times then cancel, as in a lane change.

really happy with the self cancel indicators they stay on for about 20 seconds from the turn. I also like on motorways that the lean in when you have changed lane works well

all good for me but I am a very lazy person

Graham

Zitat von Sanemancured im Beitrag #2

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I seem to remember that there might be 2 settings that can be altered by a dealer (my memory could be playing tricks here though).

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Memory is still better, but sod's law says that the one time you forget may be the wrong time.
I asked them to reduce the delay on my 1200 during a service, but they said the minimum is 30 seconds.
A lot can happen in 30 seconds, I talk from experience, luckily a near miss!

Zitat von Sanemancured im Beitrag #2

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It's not been an issue as I've said and I practice not using my indicators unless they are likely to benefit another road user. That helps the observation and thinking skills.

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #5

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My indicators self-cancel after several miles, just as I am approaching the next intersection and have to use them again.

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Zitat von MrVvrroomm im Beitrag #7

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TFT equipped BMW's have a much better self-cancelling logarithm. At highway speeds they flash 5 times then cancel, as in a lane change.

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After reading this thread I dug out the manual and had a look. The 1250 indicators are really very clever.
Three different scenarios, two different button pushes. I never knew. I just wish I was clever enough to remember what’s going on. (Right, so I’m over 100kmph, short push - 5 flashes or longer push - speed dependent. What to do?)

And Hedgehog, it’s the ‘second phase’ not the ‘4th quarter’. Don’t want to be a smart Alec but it could be where you are going wrong!

... my opinion has changed... for the worse. After 3 months of ownership I'm seriously thinking of giving up using indicators (most UK drivers already have).

I still use the switch but look down & find them rarely flashing, so I don't know if I didn't press it right, it cancelled 5 seconds ago, or it cancelled just as I looked down. I don't want to be be looking & worrying that my indicators are/aren't still working half way through a maneuver so it may well be better for me to accept that they aren't & get on with avoiding the traffic that I know has no chance of knowing where I'm going.

If I was taking a bike test, using MSM, with the current R1250RS I would fail. It is that bad.

Incidentally I still use them as I did without auto-cancel. I never miss a cancel... but now, in cancelling an auto-cancelling or non-active signal it sometimes misinterprets it as an opposite signal selection... which is even more bizarre!

I don’t use the self-cancel function, I always engage and cancel the indicators manually - it leaves me in control of what other road users can see. I also try not to use indicators at all if I judge that they are of no benefit to other road users.

Zitat von Boxerboy im Beitrag #14

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I also try not to use indicators at all if I judge that they are of no benefit to other road users.

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