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#1 | Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:02 pm

New owner, here...
Stopped for fuel on Sunday and couldn't get the gas cap open.
Is there some kind of adjustment for the latch?
Or a "work-around" to get it open if this happens again?
Thanks - Jay

2020 BMW R1250RS / 2014 Ducati M1200S / 2005 BMW Boxer Cup / 1996 BMW K1100RS (SE) / 1984 Kawasaki GPz 1100

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#2 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:06 pm

is this a keyless bike?

I thought I had a problem at one time, early on. User error. I had not turned off the ignition. No "problem" since.

There have been a few with problems and there is an adjustment, apparently. They will be along shortly, or search the archive.

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#3 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:06 pm

Do you have keyless?

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#4 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:37 pm

Zitat von Jay K. im Beitrag #1
Or a "work-around" to get it open if this happens again?

Regardless of whether the bike's keyless or not, I think the workaround is the same: take a torx key to the ring around the filler ring

KC100->CB100N->CB250RS--------->DL650AL2->R1200RS

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#5 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:25 pm

With keyless gas cap: 1) bike MUST be off to open cap, 2) cap must be opened within a short period of time after ignition shut off, if not, key must be in range and cap lever needs to be "double-tapped". 3) did you install tank ring for tank bag? Yeah, you tightened it too tight. Loosen screws and torque them to spec.

I ride 2019 R1250GSA, 2016 Honda PCX150, 2013 Piaggio BV350
my wife rides 2020 R1250GS, 2015 Honda PCX150
Both proud former owners of a pair of 2016 R1200RS

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#6 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:30 pm

Zitat von MrVvrroomm im Beitrag #5
...did you install tank ring for tank bag? Yeah, you tightened it too tight. Loosen screws and torque them to spec.

Ah...makes sense. Anyone have any idea what the torque spec is?

2020 BMW R1250RS / 2014 Ducati M1200S / 2005 BMW Boxer Cup / 1996 BMW K1100RS (SE) / 1984 Kawasaki GPz 1100

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#7 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:42 pm

Zitat von Jay K. im Beitrag #6
Zitat von MrVvrroomm im Beitrag #5
...did you install tank ring for tank bag? Yeah, you tightened it too tight. Loosen screws and torque them to spec.

Ah...makes sense. Anyone have any idea what the torque spec is?

Quarter of a grunt or not much. The inserts are not very robustly secured to their surroundings, some say.

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#8 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:14 pm (Last edited: Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:18 pm)

Weird. Presumably you have been able to get it open normally and you have the keyless ride.
Reread the owner's manual to make sure there isn't something funky missed. Try practicing in your driveway or empty local school parking lot (drive, stop, shutoff and open) to assure yourself that it does work 100% of 5 or 10 times or some bug is cropping up.

Whoops.. just reread about tank bag ring... in the words of bespectacled Emily Litella, "Nevermiiinnd!"

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#9 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:07 pm

4,5 nm or 40 in/lbs

It's not very tight. Use 1 drop of blue Loctite on each screw.

I ride 2019 R1250GSA, 2016 Honda PCX150, 2013 Piaggio BV350
my wife rides 2020 R1250GS, 2015 Honda PCX150
Both proud former owners of a pair of 2016 R1200RS

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#10 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:19 pm

The manual says clearly to lift the gas cap tab slowly. It works every time.

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#11 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:47 pm

Zitat von MrVvrroomm im Beitrag #9
4,5 nm or 40 in/lbs It's not very tight. Use 1 drop of blue Loctite on each screw.

Ha...that's like, 3.33 ft/lbs!!!
Thanks.

2020 BMW R1250RS / 2014 Ducati M1200S / 2005 BMW Boxer Cup / 1996 BMW K1100RS (SE) / 1984 Kawasaki GPz 1100

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#12 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:03 pm

On fasteners with very low torque I use a screwdriver tool with a torx bit.
If you use a ratchet grip it at the head. Even with a 1/4" ratchet grip it at the head.

Lee
2016 R1200RS
Iowa, USA

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#13 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:42 am

Zitat von Lee im Beitrag #12
If you use a ratchet grip it at the head. Even with a 1/4" ratchet grip it at the head.

...that's what HE said

I ride 2019 R1250GSA, 2016 Honda PCX150, 2013 Piaggio BV350
my wife rides 2020 R1250GS, 2015 Honda PCX150
Both proud former owners of a pair of 2016 R1200RS

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#14 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:33 am

Yours must be from the same batch as mine. One month back order on a replacement part. Seriously irritating to need to take our a tord wrench to fill up!

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#15 | RE: Gas Cap datum

Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:02 pm

Zitat von MrVvrroomm im Beitrag #13
Zitat von Lee im Beitrag #12
If you use a ratchet grip it at the head. Even with a 1/4" ratchet grip it at the head.

...that's what HE said

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