RE: Chinese motorcycle industry discussion - 2

Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #15

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UK pound shops gave up years ago on the £1 schtick. We still have national chains like Poundland & Poundstretcher but they sell everything from dishcloths in the traditional £1 pack of plenty to plastic garden furniture sets for £800. They have partly filled the niche once occupied by FW Woolworth who went bust in the UK in 2009 but I think most are struggling to keep their heads above water in the face of competition from the German discounters, Lidl & Aldi. Now, these companies are the masters of using Chinese companies to make knock off versions of branded products. Where they differ from the UK based retailers is that their own brand stuff is often pretty decent quality rather than cheap tat.

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In today's, somewhat related news to the subject matter: Tesla reports that they have given up on trying to make a small electric car that would sell for an affordable $25K. (If it was me, I would have given up on that idea shortly after the plan was announced by Musk four years ago.) That is going to leave a nice big chunk of the EV market to the Chinese, who can probably fill it. For sure, none of the American car manufacturers could do it. They are all going for the premium EV market, which is quickly going down the tubes as U.S. customers decide that a BEV is just is not a product that they want right now and are gravitating toward hybrid cars instead.

Just swopped from a bmw 1 series deisel - bought when the government convinced us that this was better than petrol -(roadtax for a year in uk £30 - roadtax for the RS £110) but now the devil drives a deisel.
Just gone hybrid - Lexus LBX - petrol with a little battery assistance - expect to get notification in a few years this was the wrong environmental choice again!

Nothing so far had shown me, in england, that infrastucture is good enough, resale is a joke and charges 'away from home' to top up a battery vary widely - can be dearer on a journey than petrol/deisel cars and that's without costing a coffee as you sit for an hour - some 24hr charging places close overnight so you are sat at risk for too long in some unmanned forecourt.
Porsche tacan -new £170k (I wish!) and lose £50k in 4 weeks! Even dealers are unwilling to take some back in px for a new 911?
Buy one 4 years old for £45k with 30k miles on the clock, that's some huge price loss for far too many.
Those chinese variants may have a low price advantage but this tesla type device is more of a fridge/freeezer purchase - buy it/use it/throw it away when the battery gets 10 years old.
Maybe that is the new way - never going to look at a battery car/bike and think 'that sounds /looks great' unlike a ducati, benelli sei 750 or usa v8 - 24hrs at le mans, Panos, corvette, 962 porsche.
Those new whispering hybrids audi porsche, even ferrari can never sound as good as a v12 jag, even the screaming mazda is better than an electric milk float, no matter how fast.

Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #17

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In today's, somewhat related news to the subject matter: Tesla reports that they have given up on trying to make a small electric car that would sell for an affordable $25K. (If it was me, I would have given up on that idea shortly after the plan was announced by Musk four years ago.) That is going to leave a nice big chunk of the EV market to the Chinese, who can probably fill it. For sure, none of the American car manufacturers could do it. They are all going for the premium EV market, which is quickly going down the tubes as U.S. customers decide that a BEV is just is not a product that they want right now and are gravitating toward hybrid cars instead.

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Meanwhile, the U.S., UK, EU and perhaps other countries, plan to end the sale of ICE powered vehicles (not sure about motorcycles) in 2035. Good luck with that plan. When it hits the fan expect legislators and regulators to run for cover and create big gaps in the rules to keep the vehicle buying public from tossing them out of office.