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Zitat von Becksy im Beitrag #16 The shaft speed relates to the rear wheel speed (i.e., diameter), not the crankshaft speed. If your assertion was correct, Boxer riders should avoid high speeds and transmission gears would be prone to failure.
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Zitat von Paul911 im Beitrag #15Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #13 At $16,300, the 1200 cc Super T isn't a bad deal.
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Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #18Zitat von Paul911 im Beitrag #15Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #13 I had one of the early ones which I bought a year old. It was way over priced in Europe and had dropped by 30% in that year to a more reasonable £10k. Despite several upgrades with fancy suspension, it never took off over here. It was always thought of as underpowered, just like this 150bhp bike from Suzuki if you read comments in some places, plus of course, it did not have the Ewan & Charlie factor or an exotic badge like Ducati or KTM. I owned mine for nearly 4 years and really liked the bike. It just became too heavy when I was recovering from a serious illness, so it was traded in for a lighter Tracer/FJ09. I missed the shaft drive and 18 months later, bought the RS.
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Speaking of Suzuki...their GSXS1000GT+ looks like a great bike, and I had almost bought one last year. But what stopped me was: chain drive, no center stand, no heated grips, so-so cruise control and, according to many, mediocre brakes, cut-rate tires and panniers that were functional but not great. Many new owners spent $$ on heated grips, new brake pads and tires and liked the bike. |
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Zitat von BEARR im Beitrag #20 chain drive never harmed the best selling sport tourer. I owned two of them, a 1988 FJ and a 1994 FR, the VFR750 (you had a silly name for it, Interceptor I believe) I get your point and as mentioned above, a shaft drive will influence my buying decision Spam goes here |
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I continue to be surprised that I don't see any new Japanese motorcycle models parked around Alice's restaurant on Sunday mornings when I visit. What I do see are brand new BMWs, Ducati's, Moto Guzzis and KTMs, all top-of-the-line models. This area seems to have a lot of loose change that is being spent on fancy toys, but the cheap bikes used for basic transportation apparently stay home on the weekends. It could be that Japanese bike purchases are typically financed and the cost of doing so is getting pretty expensive right now.
Current motorcycle collection: 2002 Yamaha FZ1; 2020 KTM 390 Duke; 2009 BMW F650GS; 2018 Zero S 16.6 kWh
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Zitat von Becksy im Beitrag #16 Torque is largely a function of displacement, stroke, compression ratio, etc, not engine layout. For instance, the Hayabusa has the same amount of torque as the R1300GS. One reason a shaft drive isn't great on a typical 4cyl bike is that 90 degree turns in power delivery aren't efficient. So a bike like the Tiger 1200 or FJR should have more drivetrain loss than our bikes.
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #22 the mid range bikes from Japan, 500-900cc mostly parallel twins, are doing well in Europe. Suzuki did well ages ago with the SV650 and others using the V twin engine but sort of disappeared from that sector. Yamaha woke it up with the MT series and now Suzuki are back with a rehashed Bandit and 800cc parallel twin in various guises. Honda have been quietly selling the CB500 and NC750 variants in reasonable numbers. Partly due to the economic situation and partly due to older people downsizing. Specifically in the UK, more commuters due to the piss poor public transport and emission zones and a slowly growing interest from younger people who have licence restrictions until they are old enough to take the full A test (24 or 21+ if held A2 for 2 years)
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Zitat von Ray B im Beitrag #8Zitat von BEARR im Beitrag #5 Factory side bags are standard. |
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #22 I think I read that in the US, KTM outsells Suzuki. Back in the 80s and 90s, the Japanese manufacturers (especially Honda) were innovative and made interesting bikes that people lusted after. As a bonus, they were reliable. Now, about the only innovative bike from Japan is the Goldwing and only a few are actually interesting beyond that. Meanwhile, the European bikes are exciting and have become reliable enough.
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Zitat von Paul911 im Beitrag #26 This point is perfectly made by the fact the engine in the GSX series debuted in 2005. No one is excited about the engine, other than talking about how it is "legendary". Suzuki is banking on looks, tech, and value to sell the GSX bikes, not excitement. |
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Zitat von TriangleRider im Beitrag #27Zitat von Paul911 im Beitrag #26 It is legendary. Word is that BMW used the GSXR engine as the template for the S1000RR engine. As for looks...the GSXR is definitely "dated", with the headlight configuration, but the rest of the GSXR's bodywork looks good to me. I saw a '23 GSXR 750Z in the dealer showroom earlier this year and would have bought it on the spot, except some kid got to it a few hours before me. He totalled a week after taking delivery. Kids... |
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Zitat von TriangleRider im Beitrag #25Zitat von Ray B im Beitrag #8Zitat von BEARR im Beitrag #5 Went through the websites and even the Gixxer forum without a hint of OEM luggage for the GSX-R 750Z. Any I can pursue? https://suzukicycles.com/sportbike/2022/gsx-r750z
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