R1200RS + R1250RS Forum
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Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:01 pm
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Forget the supercharged engine. What is impressive about this bike is all of the rider "aids" that are included with this model. This bike has got everything you could possibly think of included in its $28K price tag and likely a few things that you never thought you might want or need. Kawasaki has passed by BMW when it comes to electronic features. Way too much stuff for me, but still it is interesting to see what a motorcycle can be like when the kitchen sink is tossed at it: https://www.motorcycle.com/new-model-pre...ed-darling.html
Current motorcycle collection: 2002 Yamaha FZ1; 2020 KTM 390 Duke; 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500; 2009 BMW F650GS; 2016 BMW R1200RS; 2018 Zero S 16.6 kWh
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A friend bought one of the original H2R supercharged bikes a few years ago. He already had a GPZ750 turbo. He has since got married and moved to the Isle of Man. He has downgraded from the H2 to one of these SX models and loves it. There again, he has raced at the TT and has taken a bike based on the Kawasaki 650cc parallel twin around the island at well over an average 100mph, winning a replica of the winner's trophy as he was within a percentage of the winner's time. He is the only person I know who can make full use of this bike's ability on the TT circuit. All that performance is wasted on mere mortals.
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Right. A lot of electronics. (Heard on the news today that the chip shortage is over, and there is now a glut.)
“A good man always knows his limitations.”
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2 I would probably manage to do 0.01% of the winner’s time. 
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Zitat von Ray B im Beitrag #3 The car in my avatar is mine. It's an 86 911 with a Sept 85 build date. A few months ago it wouldn't start so I went through all of the diagnostic steps I could (tested fuel pump, ignition, fuel injectors, crank position and engine speed sensors for impedance and voltage output, etc) and finally determined it was the engine computer. Yes, it has Bosch DME and there's an Intel 8 bit processor in there. So it took 37 years for the computer to finally die. My daughter drives a 2008 Toyota and the nav still works (as well as it ever did). The stereo in my living room is almost 50 years old, still works. Electronics aren't going to die at less than 10 years unless the manufacturer did something really stupid.
2020 R1250RS
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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #4Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2 Wouldn't that be within a whisker of winning ?
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Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #6Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #4Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2 I think it would win by some considerable margin, taking a 650cc twin around the IOMTT course at an average speed over 12,000mph for 4 laps, approx 150 miles
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Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #6Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #4Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2 (Winners time minus 99.99% of the winners time)
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The H2 is nice till you look up insurance. Rider aids are over rated . I turn every aid off on my triumph on every start up ( Tiger 1200XCX ) the Hayabusa I ran for 5 years with 207 Hp 113 tq , and deleted ABS ( I pioneered the Gen 2 deletion , and wiring bypass ) was a absolute blast at a final weight of 498 wet . |
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #7Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #6Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #4Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2 Bah. Ruin a good joke with math, why don’t you.
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I've sat on one, alright but not as good as the RS in terms of ergonomics (older model obviously) and overall feel of the fit and finish (also chain vs shaft for touring) and apparently it eats tires for breakfast.
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Zitat von zer0netgain im Beitrag #4Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #2 Change "time" to "speed". Math fixed  |
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Zitat von Paul911 im Beitrag #5Zitat von Ray B im Beitrag #3 That's an interesting point about electronics dying at that sort of age. Most commercial flash (non-volatile) memory technologies only guarantee data retention over appox 10 years. It varies with temperature and those used in automotive are qualified to higher levels of endurance at the specified high temperature, but still. Nothing lasts forever. Not sure what your Bosch unit is based on but given the age probably not flash-based NVM. Hope you are able to find a replacement unit? |
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Zitat von Ali-bear im Beitrag #13Zitat von Paul911 im Beitrag #5Zitat von Ray B im Beitrag #3 I was working for Xerox from the late 80s to 2002 when they made me redundant. From 1990 I was working as an electronics tech fixing stuff on the end of assembly lines and then in the actual electronics division. We used to make spares for models made in 1985 and still in service. Many of the machines were using the same 8 bit processors as the 911, usually an Intel 8085. These things ran code that was stored on an EEPROM and if there was an NVM it was usually on a piggy back module with a battery. We used to get shitloads of boards back from service engineers which just needed the NVM board zeroing as they were vulnerable to mains brownout damage. We were subcontracted to make some AC Delco products for GM cars. They were made from the cheapest and nastiest components ever seen. The bare boards were really poor and in the early 90s they started to tinker with surface mount ASICs (application-specific integrated circuit). I hated those things as you could not just find a wonky diode to make it work, just bin it. Hopefully the Porsche will still run if the Bosch units use battery based NVM, just losing a bit of customisation. As we know from the TPMS units, breaking open sealed auto-electronics to change a battery is no simple task.
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