RE: Installing New BMW Sidestand - 2

Zitat von Boxerboy im Beitrag #15

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I think some people need to rethink their image of Chinese quality, there are more engineering companies in China than anywhere else in the world and some of them are manufacturing to the highest of global standards, equally some have no clue, but that can be said of any “nation”. It’s not countries but companies that manufacture and I’d encourage anyone to make that distinction.

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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #18

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Zitat von azqkr im Beitrag #16

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Zitat von Boxerboy im Beitrag #15

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I think some people need to rethink their image of Chinese quality, there are more engineering companies in China than anywhere else in the world and some of them are manufacturing to the highest of global standards, equally some have no clue, but that can be said of any “nation”. It’s not countries but companies that manufacture and I’d encourage anyone to make that distinction.

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In 2015 Chinese steel companies added the element Boron to their steel.

This allowed companies to receive a tax rebate, which is great for profit. However, the element Boron causes welds to crack. This is a terrifyingly huge safety hazard.

This means your cheap, outsourced steel could fail at any moment, putting yourself, your employees, your facility, production equipment, product and entire business at risk.

As I can't post links [ and byw, when is that going to be corrected here on the forum? ]

Dangers of Foreign Steel

A good example of Chinese steel quality issues leading to potential danger is the Oakland Bay Bridge in San Francisco, California. The lower quality of the foreign steel was discovered in 2013 when a seismic test led to the discovery of 32 faulty rods that had to be replaced; they had been corroding in a large pool of water. This is especially problematic since the bridge practically connects two major fault lines, one of which was the cause of the big earthquake in 1989. A metallurgist testified that the Chinese steel was poor quality, and prone to embrittlement, which is why the rods cracked; during construction 750 panels cracked during welding and had to be replaced.

There have been a large number of reports of Chinese steel quality issues. Between 2011 and 2012 eight bridges in China, using Chinese steel, collapsed. In 2008 an earthquake struck the Sichuan province, and in one steel school that was poorly built, 700 children were crushed to death.

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is this a problem with the steel or the procurement process using the wrong type of steel?

We are all familiar with the adage, "buy cheap, buy twice."

As for posting links. There is a whole thread somewhere on that topic and largely relates to the absent owner of the forum.

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There are certainly some very high quality products coming out of China. However, there are a still a lot of subpar products coming out of China also. They still have the problem of variations across a production run where substituted materials and shortcuts affect quality in ways that aren't seen in other industrial countries (Germany, UK, Japan, Korea, US, etc).

Beyond all that, frankly, I make an effort not to buy Chinese made products. It's not always possible but I try. I especially try when it comes to buying a motorized vehicle. Sorry if that's introducing politics to the discussion.

Zitat von Paul911 im Beitrag #20

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There are certainly some very high quality products coming out of China. However, there are a still a lot of subpar products coming out of China also. They still have the problem of variations across a production run where substituted materials and shortcuts affect quality in ways that aren't seen in other industrial countries (Germany, UK, Japan, Korea, US, etc).

Beyond all that, frankly, I make an effort not to buy Chinese made products. It's not always possible but I try. I especially try when it comes to buying a motorized vehicle. Sorry if that's introducing politics to the discussion.

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Zitat von azqkr im Beitrag #21

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Zitat von Paul911 im Beitrag #20

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There are certainly some very high quality products coming out of China. However, there are a still a lot of subpar products coming out of China also. They still have the problem of variations across a production run where substituted materials and shortcuts affect quality in ways that aren't seen in other industrial countries (Germany, UK, Japan, Korea, US, etc).

Beyond all that, frankly, I make an effort not to buy Chinese made products. It's not always possible but I try. I especially try when it comes to buying a motorized vehicle. Sorry if that's introducing politics to the discussion.

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When the Chinese made Norico 1911 pistols were introduced to the US, people bough them as a base to build race guns for matches. As they came with staked front sights, people knew going in that they'd have to have the slide dovetailed to accept various sights products.

Gunsmiths were ruining their cutting tools trying to cut that steel they used. What was discovered was the slides were heat treated to a higher rockwell than necessary for slides on 1911's and thus no only was the steel ruining cutting tools designed to cut steel specifically, the slides had become brittle due to the higher rockwell numbers.

I've seen enough inferior metal products from China steel makers over the years to know I'm not buying a chinese made side stand.

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This topic has veered into ironic territory for a brand that really came into being after 1932. The actions of the state and the industries within that state are a pretty sticky wicket for much of modern history.

As for quality, I'm with those that say.........you get what you pay for, specify and check/validate. That's why in the engineering world, you specify certificate (Certs) samples if you really care about what material you're buying. So, buyer beware, but it's just simple economics.

BTW - since the gunsmithing topic was mentioned, I can remember my father talking about buying bulk lots of Mauser 98 actions at the end of WW-II. If they passed a Rockwell test (most didn't) and were in decent condition (i.e., pre-war production) you would pay for a pressure test. That was a 50/50 venture. At that point, you had something you could build a sporting or target rifle from. Of course, as a kid growing up in a hunting area, I thought gunsmithing was next to heart or brain surgery. My father, being an older parent by the time I came along, often told me..........They make these things every day on an assembly line in a factory and sell them in stores. It isn't art.

Zitat von Mr. 36654 im Beitrag #23

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This topic has veered into ironic territory for a brand that really came into being after 1932. The actions of the state and the industries within that state are a pretty sticky wicket for much of modern history.

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Can anyone tell me the length of the Chinese side stand vs the normal sidestand? I'ld like to shorten mine and I have access to cutting and welding equipment.

I think nobody can, because it isn't possible to order one outside China. Maybe a friend in China (if he can read English)?
I shortened it by 15 mm, but I also heard 10 mm or 1 inch

Zitat von smartbart im Beitrag #26

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I think nobody can, because it isn't possible to order one outside China. Maybe a friend in China (if he can read English)?
I shortened it by 15 mm, but I also heard 10 mm or 1 inch

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I don't have the original stand handy. Will say that with the new stand leans my 2020 R1250RS enough that I no longer have to look for a small divot to put the side stand in and not worry about the bike falling over on the right side.

The shortened stand from BMW (46 53 8 564 609) measures 10 inches from the center of the bolt hole to the bottom of the pad (measuring in a straight line to the where the pad connects to the round tube at the bottom).
When measuring from the outside edge of the pad (farthest from the tube) to the center of the bolt hole, it is 10 5/8 inches.

Will locate the old stand in the next day or so and take additional measurement.

Will see if I can get someone to load a picture for me as addPics keeps returning an error message.

Bill

Zitat von Unkgd im Beitrag #28

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I don't have the original stand handy. Will say that with the new stand leans my 2020 R1250RS enough that I no longer have to look for a small divot to put the side stand in and not worry about the bike falling over on the right side.

The shortened stand from BMW (46 53 8 564 609) measures 10 inches from the center of the bolt hole to the bottom of the pad (measuring in a straight line to the where the pad connects to the round tube at the bottom).
When measuring from the outside edge of the pad (farthest from the tube) to the center of the bolt hole, it is 10 5/8 inches.

Will locate the old stand in the next day or so and take additional measurement.

Will see if I can get someone to load a picture for me as addPics keeps returning an error message.

Bill

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Lee,
Thank you.

Wasn't sure if I could refer to a post on another site on this forum. Good to know that it is acceptable.

Some other forums I have been on get a bit upset when that happens.