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Didn't exactly know where to post this, so mods please feel free to move it elsewhere if you like.
Craig
'03 K1200RS (gone) '01 R1100RSA (gone) '83 R80 (gone) |
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Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:56 pm (Last edited: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:00 am)
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About 10 years ago a BMW motorcycle technician that I knew told me that he was pulling in over $100K a year, plus benefits. The last time I had my RS serviced by a dealer was 18 months ago and the labor rate was $180 an hour. (A couple of years before that it was $130 an hour.) I have a friend that had his bike worked on recently and he said that he was charged $230 an hour by the dealer. I don't know how much the tech gets out of that pie, although I also heard from someone a long time ago that dealer mechanics typically were being paid about half of what the shop rate was. Current motorcycle collection: 2002 Yamaha FZ1; 2020 KTM 390 Duke; 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500; 2009 BMW F650GS; 2016 BMW R1200RS; 2018 Zero S 16.6 kWh |
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #2 That's great if true and would make the dealer cost seem more worth it. All I have to go on is average salaries from employee information websites like Ziprecruiter, Indeed, etc. I'm guessing your friend's experience is an outlier and he's very experienced, likely even a master mechanic. Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #2 I've never been a mechanic but have a lot of experience with salary vs bill-out rate and it's typically a rule of thirds — third of the billed rate goes to the person doing the work, a third for overhead, and a third profit.
Craig
'03 K1200RS (gone) '01 R1100RSA (gone) '83 R80 (gone) |
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Zitat von Pyrrho im Beitrag #1 They can be under the same roof but need to be in separate area.
Lee
2016 R1200RS Iowa, USA |
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #2 Kansas City charges $110 and hour. The Chevy dealer I go to in Creston Iowa charges the same.
Lee
2016 R1200RS Iowa, USA |
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Zitat von Lee im Beitrag #4Zitat von Pyrrho im Beitrag #1 We were just in Sturgis motorsports a few months back getting my low beam replaced on the RS. BMW were front and center, but they had 1 Ural with tub and a few Yamaha cruisers on the same main showroom/ Hmm |
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Zitat von azqkr im Beitrag #6 This week Debbie and I were in the Iowa City area and decided to stop at the BMW dealer there to look around. This is a multi brand dealer. I was surprised to see the BMW bikes were no longer on the upper deck and were down on the ground floor with all the side by sides and other brand bikes. I asked about the BMW being mixed in with the other inventory and the salesman said inventory was so low they decided to put everything on the ground floor. BMW will probably slap their wrists. I also noticed the shop stopped carrying BMW apparel and gear.
Lee
2016 R1200RS Iowa, USA |
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The same with my local multi-brand location. BMW's, Triumphs and used bikes are sprinkled throughout the showroom floor to give the impression of a "full" showroom. Usually BMW and Triumph have their own separate area. Salesman tells me that Kawasaki's are trickling in but others are not. The effects of COVID will stay around for quite a while.
2017 R1200RS- 42,000 mi. 4 yrs.
2003 R1100S Boxer Cup Replika #6/200 1985 K100/1100RS- 326,000 mi. 36 yrs. 2016 R1200RS- 28,322 mi. 18 mo. (gone) 2011 R1200RT- 30,000 mi. 2 yr. (gone) 2005 R1200ST- 58,000 mi. 8 yr. 3rd deer killed it. 1999 R1100S- 15,000 mi. 2 yr. (gone) 1996 Ducati 900SS/SP- 89,000 mi. 12 yr. (gone) 500,000+ BMW miles |
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Guys, I have owned an independent automotive service center for over 35 years and I'll give you the bottom line in my somewhat parallel universe. If a shop is running well the owner will take home 20% of gross sales. The overhead to run a shop is much more than the public realizes and the costs are rising much faster than people realize. Of the 20% that passes through to the owner/owners, they will obviously owe a big chunk of income tax on that and they will typically allocate a chunk of that money to reinvest into the business to grow it, buy equipment, and perform shop repairs and finally, they will take the balance for themselves. Keep in mind that when it feels like the owner is making bank on you that it is the owner who carries all the liability of the operation and can be taken down financially quickly, especially in times like we are living in now. I hope this helps in some way and now it's time for a Sunday morning ride!
C.K.
'72 Suzuki GT550 '12 KTM 990 Adv '16 R1200 RS '19 R1250 GS |
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Zitat von CK_AZ_SB im Beitrag #9 A friend of mine used to own a General Motors dealership in our town and sometimes he would tell me the cost of some of the required equipment he had to buy. Pretty scary what some of the stuff costs.
Lee
2016 R1200RS Iowa, USA |
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Vermont wage are lower than more urban areas but our property taxes are high, |
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Zitat von Vtbob im Beitrag #11 I think that may be the situation in the SF Bay Area, where all the shops seem to be "volume dealers" and the lump sum service prices come right out of a chart on their computers. You ask for a particular service the service advisor pushes a button and the computer prints out your estimate, which always turns out to be what you will pay when you pick up your bike (assuming nothing odd shows up during the service work).
Current motorcycle collection: 2002 Yamaha FZ1; 2020 KTM 390 Duke; 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500; 2009 BMW F650GS; 2016 BMW R1200RS; 2018 Zero S 16.6 kWh
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #12Zitat von Vtbob im Beitrag #11 very much the model in the UK with "menu service pricing" where the maker specifies the time for each job. In theory, the only variable between dealers of the same brand is the hourly labour rate, which can very considerably due to local factors such as property prices and greed.
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Zitat von CK_AZ_SB im Beitrag #9 Odd thing is, as much as I totally understand your position, it still rubs against the idea that “I’m not made out of money.”  The major down side of owning a BMW is that there are no local shops (all are at least 2 hours away from me). Before my last trip, I had BMW do the tire change just in case something went wrong…and local shops won’t touch BMW because it’s cheaper for a BMW shop to fix a mistake than a non-BMW shop to fix it. I carried in my wheels, and admittedly, they charged less for labor than advertised for carry-in wheels, but the price of the tires were significantly higher considering any numbers of online sources were cheaper for the same tire and would ship to a BMW shop. They gave a discount on the tire (which gives me questions I won’t go into here), so the end cost for both wheels was maybe $50 more than my other option. I would easily justify paying BMW tire change rates if they can price match competitors for the tires…which are not a BMW product. Even if the tires are not normally in stock, the Internet makes that a non-issue. Plenty of reputable vendors sell tires online and drop ship them. I had a similar issue with a fender replacement. BMW already discontinued painted parts, so the shop sent it out to a vendor for painting. The paint job cost 3 times what the part cost. Photos don’t do it justice, but it looks like a botched and patched paint job. BMW sent it back to be redone…it was that bad. Insurance was footing the bill, but at the price charged, it should have looked fresh from the factory. I’d accept imperfections in a $200 paint job but not with a $600+ paint job. I know of shops that will give an estimate on what it costs to do the job and will charge less for less work. I had a fork job done and stripped the bike of all its plastics before dropping it off…so they passed the labor savings on to me. Other shops say, “$$$ per hour for as long as it takes.” This is a cue to run away and never let them touch the bike. I’m talking for a known task, not blind troubleshooting. In the former example, they also gave me options on quality of replacement parts (chain and sprockets in this case) because they knew I was on a budget and likely couldn’t justify top-end parts compared to “good” parts. I don’t know if there is a solution to this issue. I presume if a shop has enough work, they need not worry about prices, but high prices scares off customers. Perhaps encourage owners to do the simple stuff themselves? Sell basic supplies at prices competitive with other retailers? Have a payment plan for big ticket repair jobs…something with interest rates similar to getting a small bank loan compared to a credit card? I know some professionals, like dentists, do “lock box” arrangements where you pay installments before the work gets done so you are saving up for a procedure and can’t spend the money on something frivolous in the meantime. Lots of places have low-profit or “loss leaders” to get people in the door…this helps build relationships with the prospective customers and hopefully makes them come back often. If you help them save money where you can, they may be more comfortable spending on the more expensive stuff later. It makes me think of the Made in China garbage often found in discount tool stores. Perfectly good for one or two uses a year…unreliable for daily use. You can’t easily persuade someone to spend 3-4 times the cost on a quality tool they will hardly ever use, but you can make the case on a tool that will see heavy use.
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