RE: Slimmer panniers - 4

Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #34

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Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #31

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Zitat von Freddyfruitbat im Beitrag #23

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So am I the only one who thinks the 'sports panniers' look really weird, especially on the RS?

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I think they look very good, and have them myself. The OE panniers are massive boxes

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The SHAD SH36 hard bags that I have on my RS are also massive, especially when you are trying to filter past traffic. I have to agree though that the F800 sport bags are quite functional and look nice, especially when closed. But when fully expanded they do look a little odd.

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I just included the Givi V35 & V37 in my search. The design appears to get a lot of its volume from the lower portion of the pannier being wider than the top, and this wider section is on the back side, placing it close to the bike. With this style, it looks like the overall width could be narrower than the more typical hard panniers with parallel sides. Can anyone verify if this is true or not?

Zitat von VintageThumper im Beitrag #47

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I just included the Givi V35 & V37 in my search. The design appears to get a lot of its volume from the lower portion of the pannier being wider than the top, and this wider section is on the back side, placing it close to the bike. With this style, it looks like the overall width could be narrower than the more typical hard panniers with parallel sides. Can anyone verify if this is true or not?

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Scratch the V37’s from the list. Like their V35 cousins, they have an odd shape for packing, as Fred pointed out. But the real deal killer for me was finally finding a straight on rear view. These things are Wide! Now I understand why Givi uses angled shots in their catalog and ads...

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It's too bad BMW no longer has the City Lid option for their bags.
At one time they had the regular lid, the narrow City Lid and a extra wide lid.
The lids were easy to swap back and forth.

The problem seems to be that the manufacturers don't really optimise the mounting arrangement on many bikes. This leaves already wide panniers suspended too far away from the side of the bike. Shad seem particularly bad for this and in addition the 3P mount needs the pannier to drop down vertically onto the mount bar so this can't be recessed too far. Givi is a bit better because the panniers click in horizontally.

I've modded the Shad mounts on two bikes in order to get a closer fit, but the fashion for high level exhausts doesn't help.

And a major marketing feature seems to be selling panniers that will swallow a large, full face helmet, which bloats out the sides. I know many riders appreciate this feature, but I’m fine with finding other ways to secure my helmet if it will get me a narrower bike.

For the record, when I was researching which panniers to buy, I measured the width of Givi V35s and the BMW panniers when mounted on the 1200RS. On a visit to my BMW dealer, I found examples of two bikes, one a customer's with the V35s fitted and the other was a showroom bike with the BMWs fitted. In a rare case of forward thinking, I brought a tape measure with me! The Givis were a little narrower and this was a major reason for my purchase of the Givis, as was the price difference.

I manage to fit my Shoei Neotec II that is fitted with a Sena SMH5 external coms. pod into the right hand pannier on mine. The Sena makes it wider and more difficult to get in and the Shoei is itself fairly bulky but it does fit. It would probably fit into the left hand one as well but I always use the right one! I also prefer the look of the Givis but this is not so important to me.

I certainly agree that the mounting racks for virtually all the panniers that I have ever seen are unnecessarily wide, leaving too much space on their inside between the bike and the panniers. I am not quite sure why this is and as a rider who has had panniers on all my bikes over decades, this has always been an irritation and sometimes a real problem. Possibly this would not matter too much if you were living and riding in a country that either has little traffic, or perhaps where filtering is illegal. Neither of these criteria apply to the UK, especially the first one!

I also had the BMW Sports panniers on my F800S. They were rather clever I thought and I particularly admired the expanding, steel mesh design. However, they were very small and when used in maximum expansion mode, were significantly wider than when collapsed. I also found the plastic, ratchet expansion straps very awkward and fiddly to use. For me, one of the larger BMW/Shad/Givi sets are more practical.

Zitat von VintageThumper im Beitrag #49

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Scratch the V37’s from the list. Like their V35 cousins, they have an odd shape for packing, as Fred pointed out. But the real deal killer for me was finally finding a straight on rear view. These things are Wide! Now I understand why Givi uses angled shots in their catalog and ads...

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I ended up going for the SW-Motech Aero ABS panniers with their Evo Quick-lock carriers. Have to admit I'm disappointed with all the wasted space between the carriers and the bike. And even though they only hold 25 liters each, the overall width on the bike is 38 inches (96.5 cm). My handlebars measure 36 inches (91.4 cm) so they are now the widest part of the bike. Not the result I was hoping for.

It would be greatly appreciated if someone could post the overall width measurement (on the bike) of the factory panniers, a set of Shad SH 35's or any other pannier sets that members are running.

My wife's '16 with SW-Motech mounts. Kappa K22 cases. This is her every day setup. She has larger Kappa KGR33 cases.

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Correction to my previous post... Should have said my mirrors are 36 inches across, not my handlebars.

Zitat von VintageThumper im Beitrag #55

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Have to admit I'm disappointed with all the wasted space between the carriers and the bike. .

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I put the OEM bags on and measured the width at the back.
Using a seamstress tape there was a slight bow when measuring at the back of the bags.
The measurement was 38.25 inches. I'm guessing the straight-line distance at 38 inches.

To get a more accurate measurement I need to drop a plumb bob at the side of each bag, make a mark on the floor and measure that.
It's 45 F in the garage so 38 inches is close enough :)

That tells me there's no benefit to be had when going from the OEM panniers to the Aero ABS system from SW-Moto. The width is virtually the same, and their volume is about 6 liters less per side.

Sure hope someone can beat these 38 inch width measurements with their set up!