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Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:35 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F8TMpSA_kI Looks very nice, the sports tourer class is not dead apparently
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Zitat von Paul911 im Beitrag #3 Coming back? R1200RS, Z1000SX/Ninja, Tracer/FJ09 arrived in 2015 or before. The Yamaha and Kawasaki have been near the top of sales charts. Suzuki and Moto Guzzi are just catching up.
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GT on the Suzuki website now, includes prices for the luggage
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Glad to see Suzuki entering the GT market. |
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #4 Suzuki has had success in the ST market for years with its V-Stroms. Thankfully this is more of what I consider more of a classic sport-oriented ST instead of the current trend of road-oriented adv tourers like the V-Strom, BMW S/FXR, Tracer GT, etc. Craig |
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Zitat von Pyrrho im Beitrag #10Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #4 I would not put the Vstroms in the sport tourer category. Whilst there may have been earlier examples of sports tourers (R100RS), for my generation, the VFR750F is the archetype for the genre. Triumph had some success with their Sprint bikes and we recently saw a discussion about the excellent Ducati ST series but these fizzled out a decade ago. For me, Suzuki's entrant into the sport tourer segment was the unloved GSX600F and the even less loved 1 litre version. The excellent Bandit series eventually morphed into a pretty good sports tourer with the half faired and GT models. More recently we have had the GSX-S1000F from 2015 but it has also been unloved. One hopes this newer version will take off. I think, as you have stated above, there is a separate category, adventure tourer or maybe adventure sport bike. A category perhaps spawned by the excellent Yamaha TDM850. The BMW XRs, Vstroms, Versyses, Tracers and Tiger 1050 all slot in here rather than with the proper sport tourers like the RS. Of course, all of these bikes compete with one another for sales but I'm in for a discussion of semantics and taxonomy not commercial desirability 
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Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #11 I agree with Wikipedia's broader definition of a sport tourer as something that "[...] combines the performance of a sport bike with the long-distance capabilities and comfort of a touring motorcycle." Within this there are more sport-oriented bikes, some more tour-oriented, and others strive for a balance. There's a multi hundred-page thread on ADVrider discussing what does or doesn't classify as an sport tourer, and the general consensus was if you kit and ride your bike like a sport tourer then it essentially can be called one, regardless of the manufacturer's original intended use. Eye of the beholder kind of thing. Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #11 I seriously considered a Ducati ST when in the market for my last bike but chose a K1200RS instead. The STs were indeed excellent bikes, and both they and my old RS were what I consider "classic" (or as you referred to as "proper") examples of the category. Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #11 My current viewpoint considers adv tourers as a subcategory of sport touring, as pretty much all of them can be ridden like a sport bike provided proper tires and of course all can be loaded up with luggage and toured comfortably. I say current because I held an opinion more similar to yours prior to re-immersing myself into the MC world over this summer. After researching the current market and reading & considering others' opinions my mind has been changed somewhat. Craig |
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I like this bike, it's my kind of bike. But I have an S1000XR, which BMW calls an adventure bike and I call it a GT bike. I would not trade in my XR on this, but this Suzuki looks good and looks interesting.
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Zitat von runnerhiker im Beitrag #13 I also have an XR, a 2016 model. I do not think it fair to compare the 2021 XR with this Suzuki. The Suzuki costs £12.5k with luggage. Add luggage to the 2021 S1000XR and you are looking at £20k. The choice for a buyer in the UK would be a new Suzuki or a 4 year old S1000XR. A very different proposition.
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Zitat von Pyrrho im Beitrag #12 It's a quandary but I am reluctant to change my view which I guess is based on nostalgia around bikes I have owned. The CBR600 was definitely a sports bike but I toured on it, riding from the UK to the Julian Alps in Slovenia in 1999. I hated this bike by the time I got home as it was not the right tool for the job. The VFR750 was the first bike I toured overseas on, going to the Savoy Alps in 1995. So much more comfortable than the CBR. I had the mk2 TDM850 which at the time defied classification but spawned a generation of post-millennium bikes in an adventure sports genre. I toured Scotland on the TDM. Then there were the R1150GS, XT1200Z Super Tenere and Triumph Explorer. All adventure bikes that visited places far and wide across Europe. All had tyres like Conti Road Attack or Michelin Pilot Road series. More recently I have owned a Tracer and of course my current R1200RS and S1000XR. Under your criteria, every bike I have listed could be a sports tourer. Seems pointless having such a category if the the conditions of entry are so loose. For me, it is only the R1200RS that reminds me of the sport touring capabilities of the VFR. Like the VFR750, the RS is happy to sit on a German autobahn at over 100mph for a tank of fuel (if you can find a stretch without roadworks), gliding through gently rolling countryside, riding 600+ miles in a day, filtering through city traffic, traversing mountain passes with 1:3 hairpins in the English Lake District or trying to emulate John McGuinness over the Mountain on the Isle of Man...
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