R1200RS + R1250RS Forum
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After the sad demise of my RS a few weeks ago, I'm going to be looking for a replacement just as soon as my collarbone is better.
KC100->CB100N->CB250RS--------->DL650AL2->R1200RS
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Originally, I wasn't keen on the keyless key system. But now I like it. I can stuff the fob somewhere secure on my body and don't need to get it out to start and lock my bike. That way I am less likely to loose it or forget it somewhere when riding. The 2032 battery lasts about three years and is readily available in just about any store that sells button batteries. Plus, kids with slide hammers looking to steal your bike and go for a joy ride don't know what to do when they can't find a keyhole.
Current motorcycle collection: 2002 Yamaha FZ1; 2005 Triumph Bonneville T-100; 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500; 2009 BMW F650GS; 2016 BMW R1200RS; 2011 Zero S 16.6 kWh
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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #2 although those with a laptop and scanner are able to nick it whilst you are paying for your fuel I have 2 BMWs. The RS is keyless. the XR isn't. Like R, I deposit the key in my jacket and it stays zipped in that pocket - I stuff it in the phone holder section so it is not disturbed if fumbling into the pocket for another item, usually my passport at a port or hotel. There are advantages e.g. I left the ignition turned on as I wandered off to use the toilet at a petrol station. No worries, the ECU turned off the bike as I was not in range. If I do this on the XR it is sat there waiting for someone to ride until I return. Disadvantages: 1. the 2nd key is plastic and not robust enough to use in luggage or seat locks. It is a passive transponder so works only if it is placed in close proximity to the sensor, just like your id card at work that opens doors or contactless card for payments. Therefore I have splurged £16 on a dumb key just to access the seat. This has by Givi and security lock key on the same ring and lives in an accessible pocket of my jacket. 2. It's a powered device so needs a change of battery from time to time and is not waterproof. You need to keep it well protected if riding in wet weather and remember to remove it from the jacket when laundering the jacket 3. Another thing to go wrong that will be expensive to repair out of warranty 4. Security - it works as an approved immobiliser to keep insurer's happy but anecdotal evidence suggests there are kits available for thieves to use to capture the signal and then mimic the device to take the bike. When I bought my RS I did not have a choice. I wanted a blue bike and the only one in stock had the keyless fitted. As I was buying at the end of the main sales quarter and Euro 3 bikes had to be registered ASAP I had a decent discount to offset the extra cost. Now, having experienced keyless, I like it, but I don't like it enough to pay extra for it. On a used bike, it is unlikely to affect my decision as I would have many more items higher up the list such as price, condition, service record, mileage, SE Sport spec., colour and geographic location. |
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Are BMW the masters of solving the non existent problem? Three button indicators, why have one when three will do? Servo brakes, what the fcuk was that all about? The last bike that I had with keyless ignition was a 1958 BSA A10, kick starter, K2F magneto and no ignition switch whatsoever! Keyless is one option that I'm happy to pass on. |
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I love the keyless feature... and i ticked the box for it..when I ordered my bike.. i keep the key wrapped in foil to stop thieving b**stards from using a laptop to steal it... when at home.. while its chained to the garage floor..... lovely that the fuel filler/steering lock is part of the system... no fumbling for keys on a cold day... it lives in a waterproof ziplock bag in my jacket ...and is a luxury feature i like... no issues with it for me... |
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All valid points.
2017 R1200RS Sport SE. 1990 K100RS 16v.
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Zitat von Freddyfruitbat im Beitrag #1 I have keyless and I like it (not love it, and that is only because it does not extend to my panniers, or release the seat). The only "con" is expense if it were to get lost and you have to pay for its replacement. It is reliable as long as the battery is not dead, and there is a conservative warning on the dash of the bike if it is getting weak, so you have lots of time to replace with a commonly sourced battery. The battery has an acceptably long life so the value is good. It is very convenient to be able to keep my key fob securely in my pocket and be able to start the bike or load fuel by just doing those tasks and not fussing about with a key. I do not believe that it is any more or less secure than a keyed steering lock on a bike. I have theft insurance. Supremely idiot-proof since there is nothing to operate. You only use it to unlock panniers and the seat. That said, I am very good with not losing keys so it is of no benefit to me in that regard. If it were a separate option (not part of a package) I would probably not buy it, but given that I have it I like it. There are other inconveniences about motorcycling to complain about - like all the gear one has to wear! - but this is something to make your life more convenient and that is a plus.
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When I configured for the offer with the dealer I had keyless categorically excluded.
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I don't have it and don't want it. Pointless. Still have to have the key. Have read of instances of trouble with the keyless for the gas cap, both unlocking and locking. Also read of a rider with keyless that left a gas stop at night with the fob sitting on his tank bag rather than in his pocket. He felt the fob slide off the tank bag and bounce off his leg as he accelerated up to interstate speed. No chance of finding the key along a dark interstate and no spare key with him. Ruined a trip. No chance of this happening with a conventional key. |
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Zitat von Jetpilot5 im Beitrag #10 Maybe he took the fob out of his pocket so that he could place it on his tank bag? Yes, keyless could prove problematic to the stupid.
2017 R1200RS Sport SE. 1990 K100RS 16v.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:13 am (Last edited: Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:15 am)
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Zitat von Mark im Beitrag #14 Yes, I have always hidden the small plastic key with me, as formerly the replacement key without rubber grip. How is that if you buy the bike without keyless, then there is a correct replacement key or just such a plastic thing?
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