RE: The double-start is back - 2

Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #14

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Lucky us. In the U.S. the EPA, aided by our Donald, is pushing for E15 to be readily available soon in most markets. And if that makes motorcycles, such as H-D, run poorly or blow up, I don't think he or the ethanol producers lobby gives a rats behind.

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Zitat von pasko im Beitrag #16

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #14

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Lucky us. In the U.S. the EPA, aided by our Donald, is pushing for E15 to be readily available soon in most markets. And if that makes motorcycles, such as H-D, run poorly or blow up, I don't think he or the ethanol producers lobby gives a rats behind.

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Hi.
If this is the case, I have to say that the user manual states E10 as the top ethanol percentage.
Higher ethanol concentrations require reprogramming the software in the bike.
US users should check the manual, just in case.
Regards.

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #17

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Zitat von pasko im Beitrag #16

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #14

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Lucky us. In the U.S. the EPA, aided by our Donald, is pushing for E15 to be readily available soon in most markets. And if that makes motorcycles, such as H-D, run poorly or blow up, I don't think he or the ethanol producers lobby gives a rats behind.

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Hi.
If this is the case, I have to say that the user manual states E10 as the top ethanol percentage.
Higher ethanol concentrations require reprogramming the software in the bike.
US users should check the manual, just in case.
Regards.

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That is correct. And it is illegal for any motorcycle to use E15 in the U.S. according to our EPA. However, in spite of the American Motorcyclist Association constantly reminding our legislators and regulators of this fact, they don't seem to care all that much about our fueling issues. I guess motorcycle owners just don't contribute enough to their reelection campaign funds.

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Zitat von pasko im Beitrag #18

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #17

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Zitat von pasko im Beitrag #16

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #14

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Lucky us. In the U.S. the EPA, aided by our Donald, is pushing for E15 to be readily available soon in most markets. And if that makes motorcycles, such as H-D, run poorly or blow up, I don't think he or the ethanol producers lobby gives a rats behind.

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Hi.
If this is the case, I have to say that the user manual states E10 as the top ethanol percentage.
Higher ethanol concentrations require reprogramming the software in the bike.
US users should check the manual, just in case.
Regards.

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That is correct. And it is illegal for any motorcycle to use E15 in the U.S. according to our EPA. However, in spite of the American Motorcyclist Association constantly reminding our legislators and regulators of this fact, they don't seem to care all that much about our fueling issues. I guess motorcycle owners just don't contribute enough to their reelection campaign funds.

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Hi.
After refilling twice with RON98 I can say that the double-start is gone. I also talked about it with the dealer (had my 2nd year service done last wednesday) and he recommended me to refill with RON98 every once in a while.
Regards.

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I was thinking of this thread over the last 2 weeks. I was riding through France, Spain and Portugal. I was feeling that there were differences in how the bike started, after each every fill-up, depending on the brand. Somehow, I learned to avoid Cepsa and go with Repsol, If I was nearby.

Since new, my bike has started right up on the first push of the button. So I wondered what this double start was all about. Well, recently I filled up with Shell premium (I think 93 AKI). Immediately the bike just didn't want to start. If I stayed on the button one cylinder would kick in, and then the other. I suppose this is what you guys have been referring to. So next tank, at a different Shell station I get mid grade (89 AKI). Hard start immediately gone and the bike starts right up again. I have always like Shell in my bikes as it seems to run better. But it does appear that the wet head likes mid grade better than premium.

Zitat von wessie im Beitrag #22

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Zitat von Bob Aint Stoppin im Beitrag #21

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Since new, my bike has started right up on the first push of the button. So I wondered what this double start was all about. Well, recently I filled up with Shell premium (I think 93 AKI). Immediately the bike just didn't want to start. If I stayed on the button one cylinder would kick in, and then the other. I suppose this is what you guys have been referring to. So next tank, at a different Shell station I get mid grade (89 AKI). Hard start immediately gone and the bike starts right up again. I have always like Shell in my bikes as it seems to run better. But it does appear that the wet head likes mid grade better than premium.

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which is what the manual recommends

I've been in a foreign land for the last 2+ weeks using anything labelled 95 RON - no problems whether Repsol, CEPSA or even a Ecogas that was 10c cheaper a litre

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I just finished reading the fall issue of the BMW Motorcycle Magazine, which contains a detailed review of the new F850GS model that I have posted about in the "Other Motorcycles" sub-forum. What really caught my attention though is that BMW is going for a "triple-start" routine at every startup, instead of just a "double-start" during the morning. The article said that the F850 typically required three pushes of the starter button before it would start and keep running, even when warm. The magazine also mentioned that BMW has managed to bring back the (oil-pressure controlled) chain tensioner "clacking" noise upon startup that was a favorite feature of the old oil-head engines. Apparently there is "nothing new under the sun" and "what goes around comes around".

Zitat von Grumpy Goat im Beitrag #25

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Well I suspect the the double start is gone for a few months now. Ever since I returned to the US last week and it is cooler here in Texas, the bike started up first time every time since. Nice and strong. So nice.

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #24

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I just finished reading the fall issue of the BMW Motorcycle Magazine, which contains a detailed review of the new F850GS model that I have posted about in the "Other Motorcycles" sub-forum. What really caught my attention though is that BMW is going for a "triple-start" routine at every startup, instead of just a "double-start" during the morning. The article said that the F850 typically required three pushes of the starter button before it would start and keep running, even when warm. The magazine also mentioned that BMW has managed to bring back the (oil-pressure controlled) chain tensioner "clacking" noise upon startup that was a favorite feature of the old oil-head engines. Apparently there is "nothing new under the sun" and "what goes around comes around".

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Zitat von pasko im Beitrag #27

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Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #24

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I just finished reading the fall issue of the BMW Motorcycle Magazine, which contains a detailed review of the new F850GS model that I have posted about in the "Other Motorcycles" sub-forum. What really caught my attention though is that BMW is going for a "triple-start" routine at every startup, instead of just a "double-start" during the morning. The article said that the F850 typically required three pushes of the starter button before it would start and keep running, even when warm. The magazine also mentioned that BMW has managed to bring back the (oil-pressure controlled) chain tensioner "clacking" noise upon startup that was a favorite feature of the old oil-head engines. Apparently there is "nothing new under the sun" and "what goes around comes around".

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Hi.
I think you got the last issue:
https://bmwmcmag.com/2018/10/its-been-a-great-ride/
I'm intrigued as to why double/triple start are 'exclusive' to these engines?
Regards.

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