RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway

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#91 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:35 pm

I watched a bit too. From the 1200RT segment ( apart from the Shift cam)

no real changes to frame
no real updates to clocks
suspension is now auto pre-load - it senses the weight and adjusts
damping is now either road or dynamic - self adjusts on the fly according to ride characteristics
Hill start control can be configured as automatic
SOS button
Option 710 seems to have expanded, i.e. customer can spec a lot of special parts , pin striping for example for exclusive bike

Seems to be the engine and electronics that are main focus

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#92 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:18 am

If the production line cannot make both R1200 and R1250 LC engines, what is happening to the RS? Do we think they have a stockpile of R1200 engines to make into whatever the demand requires?

Bill

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#93 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:51 pm

Zitat von Bunter im Beitrag #92
If the production line cannot make both R1200 and R1250 LC engines, what is happening to the RS? Do we think they have a stockpile of R1200 engines to make into whatever the demand requires?

Bill

dealer has stated that the RS will come out with the 1250 engine early 2019

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#94 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:03 am

Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #91
I watched a bit too. From the 1200RT segment ( apart from the Shift cam)

no real changes to frame
no real updates to clocks
suspension is now auto pre-load - it senses the weight and adjusts
damping is now either road or dynamic - self adjusts on the fly according to ride characteristics
Hill start control can be configured as automatic
SOS button
Option 710 seems to have expanded, i.e. customer can spec a lot of special parts , pin striping for example for exclusive bike

Seems to be the engine and electronics that are main focus

Speaking of self-adjusting suspension, didn't BMW use a Nivomat automatic self-adjusting rear suspension during the late-1970's or early 1980's. My dealer once told me that they were nothing but trouble. Hopefully the new self-adjusting ESA suspension will work better than the current ESA system, which doesn't seem to adjust by itself - or the old mechanical Nivomat shocks for that matter.

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#95 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:00 am

Zitat von Richard230 im Beitrag #94

Speaking of self-adjusting suspension, didn't BMW use a Nivomat automatic self-adjusting rear suspension during the late-1970's or early 1980's. My dealer once told me that they were nothing but trouble. Hopefully the new self-adjusting ESA suspension will work better than the current ESA system, which doesn't seem to adjust by itself - or the old mechanical Nivomat shocks for that matter.

My 1984 R100RT had Nivomat shocks and it was not long before I got rid of them.

One thing I remember, if the bike was going to sit overnight they would bleed down so you almost always used the centerstand.

Lee
2016 R1200RS
Iowa, USA

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#96 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:06 am

Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #91
I watched a bit too. From the 1200RT segment ( apart from the Shift cam)

no real changes to frame
no real updates to clocks
suspension is now auto pre-load - it senses the weight and adjusts
damping is now either road or dynamic - self adjusts on the fly according to ride characteristics
Hill start control can be configured as automatic
SOS button
Option 710 seems to have expanded, i.e. customer can spec a lot of special parts , pin striping for example for exclusive bike

Seems to be the engine and electronics that are main focus

In the past when there was a increase in engine size, BMW would also make a style change to the bike. Different fairing, shield, bags ect.
On the GS and RT you need to look at the valve covers and exhaust headers to tell a 2018 from the 2019.

It will be interesting to see if this is also true for the 2019 RS and R.

Lee
2016 R1200RS
Iowa, USA

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#97 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:46 am

"than the current ESA system, which doesn't seem to adjust by itself"

I really don't know how or when this myth was created, that the current ESA system is adjusting by itself.

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#98 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:07 pm

Zitat von swedkg im Beitrag #97
"than the current ESA system, which doesn't seem to adjust by itself"

I really don't know how or when this myth was created, that the current ESA system is adjusting by itself.

In my case it was what I was hoping for. It is just that my hope was not fulfilled. I had expected that the ESA system had improved by 2015 since the one that was on my 2007 R1200R, but I found that to not be the case. If anything, the ESA system on my RS works worse than the one that was on my 2007 R.

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#99 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:30 pm

Zitat von Lee im Beitrag #96
Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #91
I watched a bit too. From the 1200RT segment ( apart from the Shift cam)

no real changes to frame
no real updates to clocks
suspension is now auto pre-load - it senses the weight and adjusts
damping is now either road or dynamic - self adjusts on the fly according to ride characteristics
Hill start control can be configured as automatic
SOS button
Option 710 seems to have expanded, i.e. customer can spec a lot of special parts , pin striping for example for exclusive bike

Seems to be the engine and electronics that are main focus

In the past when there was a increase in engine size, BMW would also make a style change to the bike. Different fairing, shield, bags ect.
On the GS and RT you need to look at the valve covers and exhaust headers to tell a 2018 from the 2019.

It will be interesting to see if this is also true for the 2019 RS and R.

Yes, it will make swapping easier if I could move all my 2017 M/Y accessories.

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#100 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:41 pm

What really buggs me: YouTube footage all over about the R1250GS and R1250RT. Nothing about the R1250RS or R1250R. The only thing I�m curious about is the dash display. I find it nearly impossible to believe the 2019 RS wil have to go with the 2015 model monochrome display.
I�m not in the market for a trade in. Traded my 2015 RS in for a 2017 RS just under a year ago. My 2015 RS was probably not examplary for other RS-es of that model year as the previous demo bike gave me quite a lot of troubles with the QS (GASP) going from 3rd to 2nd. The 2017 I traded my 2015 demo bike in for has not given any problems of any kind in the last 8.000 km�s, she had accumulated the full 7 km of experience when I drove her away from the dealers (as in: she was brand new). Apart from the gear box, I experienced this RS to outrun the 2015 demo bike in smoothness of the engine. My 2017 RS runs absurdly smooth. Almost as if it were a 4 cilinder engine. Despite it�s electric engine like smoothness, it still demonstrates to have all the benefits of a boxer engine: low cg, high torque at low RPM. The specs of the 1250 engine look promising: even smoother, higher torque at lower emmission and lower fuel consumption. It will not tempt me into trading in the RS just now. We just bought a F700GS for the Mrs...

Mine: 1981 Yamaha Maxim 550, 2001 BMW R1150RS (single spark), 2010 BMW R1200RT (get to use the Mrs's R1200RS pretty much though)

The Wife's: 1982 Honda CM450, 2003 BMW R1150R (Twin spark), 2006 BMW R1200ST, 2015 R1200RS, 2017 R1200RS

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#101 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:11 pm

Zitat von Jeroen1969 im Beitrag #100
The only thing I�m curious about is the dash display. I find it nearly impossible to believe the 2019 RS wil have to go with the 2015 model monochrome display.
...

I noticed the RT did not get the new TFT dash like the GS.

Lee
2016 R1200RS
Iowa, USA

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#102 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:20 pm

Zitat von Lee im Beitrag #101
Zitat von Jeroen1969 im Beitrag #100
The only thing I�m curious about is the dash display. I find it nearly impossible to believe the 2019 RS wil have to go with the 2015 model monochrome display.
...

I noticed the RT did not get the new TFT dash like the GS.

I bet that the TFT display will be an expensive factory-installed extra on the R and RS models. Meanwhile, less expensive bikes like the KTM 390 models have a TFT display as a standard feature and not an extra-cost item.

Current motorcycle collection: 2002 Yamaha FZ1; 2005 Triumph Bonneville T-100; 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500; 2009 BMW F650GS; 2016 BMW R1200RS; 2011 Zero S 16.6 kWh

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#103 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:17 pm

Zitat von Jeroen1969 im Beitrag #100
What really buggs me: YouTube footage all over about the R1250GS and R1250RT. Nothing about the R1250RS or R1250R. The only thing I�m curious about is the dash display. I find it nearly impossible to believe the 2019 RS wil have to go with the 2015 model monochrome display.
I�m not in the market for a trade in. Traded my 2015 RS in for a 2017 RS just under a year ago. My 2015 RS was probably not examplary for other RS-es of that model year as the previous demo bike gave me quite a lot of troubles with the QS (GASP) going from 3rd to 2nd. The 2017 I traded my 2015 demo bike in for has not given any problems of any kind in the last 8.000 km�s, she had accumulated the full 7 km of experience when I drove her away from the dealers (as in: she was brand new). Apart from the gear box, I experienced this RS to outrun the 2015 demo bike in smoothness of the engine. My 2017 RS runs absurdly smooth. Almost as if it were a 4 cilinder engine. Despite it�s electric engine like smoothness, it still demonstrates to have all the benefits of a boxer engine: low cg, high torque at low RPM. The specs of the 1250 engine look promising: even smoother, higher torque at lower emmission and lower fuel consumption. It will not tempt me into trading in the RS just now. We just bought a F700GS for the Mrs...

It's marketing material not a documentary. Designed to sow seeds of doubt or increase anxiety in the minds of BMW Motorrad's biggest cash cow: the GS rider. As ever, they will gear production to target the low hanging fruit, especially as a huge proportion will add large accessory packages.

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#104 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:45 pm

GS available for test ride in local dealers UK from 6th October and delivery from 13th October
Not hanging around on this one ....

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#105 | RE: No new R1250 RS for now anyway datum

Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:42 am (Last edited: Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:43 am)

Zitat von andygriff im Beitrag #104
GS available for test ride in local dealers UK from 6th October and delivery from 13th October ru
Not hanging around on this one ....

I would like a forum member to get a ride on one and report on the motor's performance... i don't teust journos as much as this forum's members.

I would like to apologize to anyone I have NOT offended. Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.

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