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#1 | Am I missing something datum

Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:42 pm (Last edited: Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:45 pm)

This report from a UK motorcycle publication includes a link that supposedly provides examples of the "unacceptable/antisocial" riding that the use of drones by the police force subject of the article is meant to tackle.
I've watched the video and wonder if I'm missing something. The first clip is pretty clear, overtake on a solid white line - not allowed by law. But the others Yes, maybe not examples of stellar riding but antisocial ??
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/police-drones/

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#2 | RE: Am I missing something datum

Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:02 pm

None of it really matters. It is a PR exercise just like the ones North Yorkshire have done with Yamaha R1 & Porsche 911 in police livery. These vehicles spend their life at trade and county shows on Safety Partnership static displays.

The police really do not have the personnel available to operate this system and speed enforcement will largely remain a civilian thing with camera vans like everywhere else.

If you read the article, none of the "evidence" gathered by the drones can be used as they are not approved devices. Cameras in police cars used for evidence are calibrated with timestamps, GPS data and speed data.

The article refers to officers stopping the vehicle or having its speed measured by an approved device. There's nothing in the footage to identify the bike, location or time that can be used in a prosecution.

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#3 | RE: Am I missing something datum

Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:12 pm (Last edited: Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:12 pm)

Yep, know all that about calibration etc but those clips can be used as evidence of careless/dangerous driving so to keep the post on track I'll repeat the question ' what do people think of the riding shown in the video'

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#4 | RE: Am I missing something datum

Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:22 pm

Agree, the first one was a little early, but I suspect with a reasonable sight line.

To my mind all of the others were OK, some a little clums but not anti social. The high level view gives no indication of the sight line of the rider. Not even sure what the problem was with the cruiser using the RHS of the road, again if their view was clear.

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#5 | RE: Am I missing something datum

Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:47 pm

It's all a bit subjective as the legal definition is a bit woolly.

P4 of this PDF tries to give some categories https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk...16655/dpr26.pdf but it does not include that riding.

Maybe the traffic plod's Twitter PR person thinks the riders "cut up" the cars by pulling in very early. Certainly a lot closer than I would do it.

The riders in the group of 4 are even riding in a staggered way. I'm wondering if they are actually traffic plod trying to stage riding like twats!

I stick with my original comment, a load of piffle but it has done its job and got some traction on loads of forums and other media.

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#6 | RE: Am I missing something datum

Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:51 pm

Some of those moves were a little dirty, but nothing I would call dangerous. Positioning could be better.
The first one only just crossed the end of a solid white and he probably had a good view ahead.

As I was told quite sternly once, you can't see what they can.

I'd like it if the Police mounted an information campaign aimed at stopping car drivers from cutting the corner on right handers.

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#7 | RE: Am I missing something datum

Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:38 pm

I saw 3 or 4 overtakes that looked quite legal.

Not possible to speculate on the actual view available to the rider(s).

Or speculate on speeds.

I'd have taken any one of those opportunities.

But I don't ride in a group and group riding gets silly.

Like the oncoming tail end Charlie who came 3 abreast with me (on 4 wheels) this afternoon. Complete twat. He got the full horn toot treatment.

"I'm last". "I'm late". "Must lkeep up with my 6 mates". Erse.

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